I never had any problem flying with a weapon when the mission called for it. And I've never seen the USN have a problem in providing weapons to those who need them. Sure, there was apparently a CAG or something that made a dumb decision once but I've seen plenty of armed Sailors. I think USMC training just ingrains Marines with a very specific idea of what a martial culture entails. But don't think that just because other people or service cultures don't mirror your notion that other folks are any less martial and dedicated. The MQ-9 guy out of Cheech doesn't need a sidearm but I wouldn't say he's not a warrior and same same for some of the other more esoteric folks I've worked with such as USAF satellite operations folks.
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Stuck On What To Do On The Start Of My Aviation Career
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<cough>NOSCs</cough>
This one's a sore spot.
A couple days after the bad guy attacked the recruiters and the Navy-Marine reserve center in Chattanooga in 2015, the Marine reserves armed up their people at their reserve centers- basically they organized a QRF at each one, a squad-sized element with the small arms they had on hand in their armory. The Marines did that both at their standalone places and ones that they shared with other services (Navy, Guard, for example). Now, when the Navy and Marine reserves share a location/building/fenceline/etc. then the Navy is often the lead agency. The Navy Reserve balked at this and ordered us (the Navy reserve centers) to not let the Marines be armed onboard the property, and that the standing agreements with local law enforcement were still adequate for force protection. Obviously the FOGO discussion on that hot topic didn't reach a consensus so the Navy sorta tried to backdoor the Marines on it.
Way different mentality on the blue side than the green side.
RoarkJr.
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No one is saying that if you don’t do martial arts, then you’re not a warrior. It’s just bizarre that some thought it was weird to recommend one of the most revolutionary, popular, and useful martial arts to someone (OP) who wants to get in better shape and prepare for another stab at OCS for Marines, a service that has martial arts as a promotion requirement.
I get it. You are just getting smacked around for sounding like a salesman...it happens to us all here.
Still, for the OP, the single best guaranteed way to improve at the PFT is to do the PFT. Exercise all you want using all the new systems, concepts, and such, but give yourself a PFT every week and mark your scores...you’ll see some improvement.
BJJ is just like crossfit. It's something you like to do then do it. But it's not a magic bullet, and it doesn't make warriors, and everyone who does it sounds like a complete douchenozzle to everyone who doesn't. (Come to think of it, TBS is like that too) Why? Because they won't shut the fuck up about it. Nobody cares. But those BJJ gyms are really happy that you're drumming up business and giving them free recruitment.
MCMAP is as much of a promotion requirement as annual training is. You show up, barely pay attention, sign the roster, use the gouge to take the test and put in as minimal effort and time into it as possible. If you're spending any more time on it than that, you're a manpower suck in your squadron who is making someone else cover for you so you can LARP that you're a ninja. No one wants to be in a squadron with a donkey who doesn't understand that.
Says the guy who said the webpage should be renamed? Which I get was a joke.
You're right that a martial art is a good supplement to a running workout and that having a diverse workout regime is beneficial for overall strength, conditioning, injury prevention, etc. But there are also plenty of other things that scratch that itch and the way you presented your perspective made it seem as though BJJ was the ONLY OPTION.
Maybe that's not what you intended to convey but plenty of other people picked up that vibe of "do BJJ and if you don't you're not a warrior."
I cant speak to the USNR side of things but the SWO/Sub side of the Navy seems to take the armed watchstanders thing plus onboard armed force pretty seriously. Ship's force spent a lot of time doing FP type training both inside the skin of the ship and outside.
I never carried a sidearm as an SDO but I was trained to use one as part of my SDO training and was expected to carry if the FPCON warranted it.
NOSCs and their ilk are obviously a bit unique and I'm not sure what the right answer is without further thought.
RoarkJr.
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This was my original post. Thankfully my cringe bjj evangelism days are long since passed. I’ve only pushed the issue because many seem to be egregiously misinformed about MA, and bad gouge is bad gouge. Sorry.
Say 7 Saint Mattis's and buy the first round of Irish Wakes for your buddies this weekend and you are forgiven.
Hey OP concur with all the gouge re: keep an open mind to other services. FWIW I was never the best runner but willed my way to a 20:30 for OCS mostly through interval sprints. Running clicked a lot better later on when I realized that there's also value to working in very long (6-8+ mi) runs at a very easy pace. These have an added benefit of actually becoming relatively enjoyable instead of just hazing yourself to death doing 400m repeats. Most programs will structure some combination of a tempo, interval, and long run throughout the week depending on your goals. But running 3 miles twice a week isn't going to make you much faster very efficiently.