Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation (Part 3)

[A4sForever]

FB (no it's not FaceBook).... Final Bearing.
BzB

I.e., the magnetic bearing passed by CATCC to the arriving aircraft which also coincides w/ the magnetic "extension" of the BOAT's landing area centerline ...

 

[MasterBates]

FB may or may not be the Marshal radial as well. There's more to it, but the plates sum it up pretty well.

There is a handoff from CCA/ACLS (PALS) to Paddles.

From the plane side it sounds like this:

Approach A or B (Button 15 or 17 normally):"601 3/4 of a mile, slightly left and on, call tha ball"
Me: "601 Hawkeye Ball, 1.9" (insert any relevant shit, such as "port out and feathered" "starboard engine out and windmilling" "10 flaps" here) 1.9 is the fuel state in thousands of pounds
Controlling LSO: "Roger Ball"
Backup (Lineup) LSO: "little right for lineup"
LSO: "Little Power"
CAG PADDLES: "ATTITUDE" (aka, set the hook and stop)

There's a ton more things that can be said, but that is what a handoff and a pass may sound like. And yes, paddles is always saying shit to me. CAG Paddles' favorite seems to be "RIGHT RUDDER" since they do get a bit concerned when they see the nose pointed at them.

 

[Gatordev]

The CV NATOPS (NAVAIR 00-80T-105) has all the CV Approaches in Chapter 5.

The the LHA Natops and the NWP 3-04.1 (or whatever it's called now...80T-120?) also has their respective approaches. Not sure about the Romeo, but I think the Bravo Natops still has an approach in it. Then again, I don't tend to open that book very much, so I may be wrong.

 

[A4sForever]

...From the plane side it sounds like this: 3 (THREE!!!???) LSOs talkin' ...

THREE ??!!?? Talking on the freq on the same approach ???

That's patently UNSAT for a variety of reasons ... and while two (2) talkin' (if need be) is not 'unusual', i.e.: a controlling LSO (or trainee) and a CAG/AirWing LSO ...

... but THREE (3) on the same pass ??? Leaves you wide open for confusion, mixed signals, and -- intimately -- a bad day. (read: accident)

Unbelievable ...

 

[MasterBates]

It's all I've ever known. I can usually pick out Pawnee, Cannonball and Toe (or insert whoever is on the wave team) distinctly.

Controlling does G/S, backup does lineup, CAG Paddles does whatever he feels is needed. That's how it was explained to me when I asked why I heard 3 dudes on the radio one pass.

I'm not a Paddler. I was "too senior" when I checked in, even though the RAG sent me to be a LSO. Go figure.

 

[ea6bflyr]

FB may or may not be the Marshal radial as well. There's more to it, but the plates sum it up pretty well.

Yes, there's a 12 NM arc; If you are more than 20˚ from final bearing, then you take a 30˚ cut to intercept either FB or 12NM arc. There are associated airspeeds with DME and certain actions you need to take along the conga line (Slow to APPR speed, Dirty up, Call platform, etc.). Once you do case III/II a few times, you'll get the hang of it pretty quick.

-ea6bflyr

 

[scoolbubba]

Thanks for the down and dirty, Gents.

MB, how's a single engine bolter/wave off in the turbo salad shooter go down?

 

[MasterBates]

Power-MAX
Metric-Ass-Ton of rudder
When VSI zeros or is positive, Gear up
>125KIAS, Flaps - 10

It does not like single engine waveoffs past "the middle" (5-8 seconds from touchdown). Those be sporty. I was riding copilot when we got waved off single engine because some dipshit crossed the foul line. At night
.ropeller:icon_long

 

[squorch2]

The the LHA Natops and the NWP 3-04.1 (or whatever it's called now...80T-120?) also has their respective approaches. Not sure about the Romeo, but I think the Bravo Natops still has an approach in it. Then again, I don't tend to open that book very much, so I may be wrong.

80T-122... Also has handling options for pretty much any US or allied help out there and how to tie it down. Most importantly it has EPs in it and how the deck crew is going to handle, say, a boost failure. Lots of little differences between it and big deck NATOPS.

 

[Gatordev]

-122. Thanks. I still call it the NWP 42 for posterity's sake.

 

[helolumpy]

I've heard it refered to as the "80 Tango" by most folks now. Some of us old timers will still
call it " the pub formally known as NWP 42"

 

[Gatordev]

I've heard it refered to as the "80 Tango" by most folks now.

This always irked me because every pub now is the "80 Tango." I was never quite sure why the NWP was dubbed the "80 Tango" and none of the others made the cut.

 

[Kaman]

Power-MAX
Metric-Ass-Ton of rudder
When VSI zeros or is positive, Gear up
>125KIAS, Flaps - 10

It does not like single engine waveoffs past "the middle" (5-8 seconds from touchdown). Those be sporty. I was riding copilot when we got waved off single engine because some dipshit crossed the foul line. At night
.ropeller:icon_long

Do you guys use the flight director for the OEI miss? I fly the "Q-400" and it has gobs of power and a OEI missed approach is a non-event if you are already singled up...However, if you go missed AEI and loose it right as you are pushing the power up it can be REALLY sporty! We only have the autofeather on for T/O and initial climb and then it stays off the remainder of the flight. No one has adequately explained why that is the procedure, but there it is! Anyway, if you bag an engine under these conditions you have 5071shp on one side trying to roll you over...So, FULL rudder to kill the nose drift....BUT we have roll spoilers and small ailerons...So, have to be cautious with using too much aileron/roll spoiler input...Pitch for V2 attitude and call for memory items...

 

[MasterBates]

What's a flight director? We don't really have a real autopilot.

Sent via my HTC EVO 4G

 

[phrogdriver]

What's a flight director? We don't really have a real autopilot.

Sent via my HTC EVO 4G

Your job is to fly in circles and you don't have an autopilot?