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NEWS Tesla Autopilot and similar automated driving systems get poor rating from prominent safety group

Flash

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ChuckMK23

Standing by for the RIF !
pilot
I wrapped up first full week of driving with the new AI enabled software stack and Full Self Driving. I think its pretty great. Did a 200 mile round trip over the weekend and the driver monitoring technology has totally shifted to ensuring I was looking attentively forward vs looking to sense torque deltas on the steering wheel. I did not have to have hands anywhere near the steering wheel - other than to access scroll wheels to set max speed. Significant fatigue reduction.

The system isnt totally perfect - but always safe in my experience. The system missed a highway exit coming home because the car did not change lanes early enough to keep people passing on the *right*. But the car did not engage in any heroics, and simply got off at next exit and doubled back.

After my trial is up, I will definitely shell out $100/month to keep FSD, considering the amount of driving I do.

I would encourage all of you for fun, go test drive a Tesla and get an FSD demo. Maybe after you drop the wife and kids off at Costco, go experience it for yourself! I get its not for everyone, but I am impressed.
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IKE

Nerd Whirler
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The system isnt totally perfect - but always safe in my experience. The system missed a highway exit coming home because the car did not change lanes early enough to keep people passing on the *right*. But the car did not engage in any heroics, and simply got off at next exit and doubled back.
Left lane squatting?
That's a deficiency, not a feature. Did they use 80-year-olds and self-righteous citizen troopers to train the autopilot?
 

ChuckMK23

Standing by for the RIF !
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I wonder if you know how silly it sounds for someone to use that phrase. Software stack? GTFOH
Brett - the term "software stack" is ubiquitous and in common use - mostly in the intersection of tech and all things nerdy. But to whit:

A software stack refers to a collection of software programs that work together to make an application run. These programs are layered on top of each other, like building blocks, with each layer providing specific functionality that the layer above relies on.

Here's a breakdown of the concept:

  • Individual components: Each layer in the stack is an independent program that fulfills a particular task. This could be the operating system, a database, a web server, a programming framework, or any other software tool.
  • Working together: The programs in the stack communicate and interact with each other to deliver the overall functionality of the application. Data and instructions are passed between layers to achieve the desired outcome.
  • Hierarchical structure: The layers are often visualized as being stacked on top of one another, with the most fundamental layer (like the operating system) at the bottom and the user-facing application at the top.
 

Brett327

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Brett - the term "software stack" is ubiquitous and in common use - mostly in the intersection of tech and all things nerdy. But to whit:

A software stack refers to a collection of software programs that work together to make an application run. These programs are layered on top of each other, like building blocks, with each layer providing specific functionality that the layer above relies on.

Here's a breakdown of the concept:

  • Individual components: Each layer in the stack is an independent program that fulfills a particular task. This could be the operating system, a database, a web server, a programming framework, or any other software tool.
  • Working together: The programs in the stack communicate and interact with each other to deliver the overall functionality of the application. Data and instructions are passed between layers to achieve the desired outcome.
  • Hierarchical structure: The layers are often visualized as being stacked on top of one another, with the most fundamental layer (like the operating system) at the bottom and the user-facing application at the top.
I know what it means, Chuck. It just sounds really silly for you to use it to refer to a feature in your sedan.
 

Random8145

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I wrapped up first full week of driving with the new AI enabled software stack and Full Self Driving. I think its pretty great. Did a 200 mile round trip over the weekend and the driver monitoring technology has totally shifted to ensuring I was looking attentively forward vs looking to sense torque deltas on the steering wheel. I did not have to have hands anywhere near the steering wheel - other than to access scroll wheels to set max speed. Significant fatigue reduction.

The system isnt totally perfect - but always safe in my experience. The system missed a highway exit coming home because the car did not change lanes early enough to keep people passing on the *right*. But the car did not engage in any heroics, and simply got off at next exit and doubled back.

After my trial is up, I will definitely shell out $100/month to keep FSD, considering the amount of driving I do.

I would encourage all of you for fun, go test drive a Tesla and get an FSD demo. Maybe after you drop the wife and kids off at Costco, go experience it for yourself! I get its not for everyone, but I am impressed.
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Well don't go to sleep on a long trip, I missed an exit once and the GPS "recalculated," told me to exit onto a connected highway where it would be about 500 miles or so to get to my destination (which otherwise was like five minutes away). Don't want to go for an hour drive and wake up to find yourself headed to Alaska or something:D
 

sevenhelmet

Quaint ideas from yesteryear
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After my trial is up, I will definitely shell out $100/month to keep FSD, considering the amount of driving I do.

So it’s at least $100/mo to use full features of the vehicle, plus the cost of the car and normal operating expenses. How many subscriptions (or add-ons) are required to use all the features of your car, that you presumably own?

How well does the vehicle work if it’s network is down? How about in remote areas? Poorly striped roads? Construction zones? Dirt/gravel?

I’m chucking spears a little bit, but mainly curious, and- TBH- more than a bit tired of being buried under subscriptions and offers to spend all my money on upsells. Even my Silverado (which I love) has an OnStar message I have to click past every time I start up. I have checked with the dealer and two independent technicians; there is no way to disable it- except to subscribe today!

Ugh.
 
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NoMoreMrNiceGuy

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So it’s at least $100/mo to use full features of the vehicle, plus the cost of the car and normal operating expenses. How many subscriptions (or add-ons) are required to use all the features of your car, that you presumably own?

How well does the vehicle work if it’s network is down? How about in remote areas? Poorly striped roads? Construction zones? Dirt/gravel?


I’m chucking spears a little bit, but mainly curious, and- TBH- more than a bit tired of being buried under subscriptions and offers to spend all my money on upsells. Even my Silverado (which I love) has an OnStar message I have to click past every time I start up. I have checked with the dealer and two independent technicians; there is no way to disable it- except to subscribe today!

Ugh.
Or near big fucking trains!

 
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