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The end of NATO?

Flash

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Don’t believe me?

No, I don't believe you...or more accurately the sack 'o shit you used as a source.

How about a sitting Democratic congresswoman? Is she a good enough source?

No, not really.

I still don't understand getting hung up (sts) on this portrait hanging thing, I guess it is possible but not something that is really in her wheelhouse as I've already pointed out. Notably there has been no official word on her relief from what I've seen, and it would be easy for either DoD or Navy leadership to put something out if there was some truth to it.

Thus far though this seems to be an example of 'A lie will galloping halfway round the world before the truth has time to pull its breeches on.' along with 'The truth has no defense against a fool determined to believe a lie'.
 
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cfam

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That list was painful to read. Not only was the grammar/editing terrible, they cherry picked examples of leaders largely following orders. Case in point: the CNAF DEI Summit attendance/posts for Chatfeld. I wish people would find more productive things to do than searching for reasons to fire good leaders because they said the word diversity once.
 

Faded Float Coat

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A possible reason for her relief was her inclusion on this list, sent to SECDEF in December after he was nominated.
Tom Jones of the so-called American Accountability Foundation... these are the folks who got picked last for dodgeball, promised new coke machines and a longer spring break if you elected them to the middle school student government, had their prom chaperoned by their moms, and generally grew resentful of people who did things of consequence and sacrifice. While these people have lots of really big ideas about how best to run a military, most have never stepped across a brow, walked through a hangar, enjoyed a Thanksgiving Day MRE, and they sure-as-shit have never been responsible for the well-being and combat effectiveness of hundreds (if not thousands) of young sailors and marines - and they get big mad when they're reminded of it. So.... they do shit like this...pick around the margins and shit all over everything, like useless city pigeons.

This window of dork's revenge is open, no doubt, but it won't stay open long. And when it closes, may these mouth-breathers be left forever out in the cold.

Then DoD and USG can get on with mending relationships within NATO....or whatever this thread is/was about :)
 
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ea6bflyr

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sevenhelmet

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Tom Jones of the so-called American Accountability Foundation... these are the folks who got picked last for dodgeball, promised new coke machines and a longer spring break if you elected them to the middle school student government, had their prom chaperoned by their moms, and generally grew resentful of people who did things of consequence and sacrifice. While these people have lots of really big ideas about how best to run a military, most have never stepped across a brow, walked through a hangar, enjoyed a Thanksgiving Day MRE, and they sure-as-shit have never been responsible for the well-being and combat effectiveness of hundreds (if not thousands) of young sailors and marines - and they get big mad when they're reminded of it. So.... they do shit like this...pick around the margins and shit all over everything, like useless city pigeons.

This window of dork's revenge is open, no doubt, but it won't stay open long. And when it closes, may these mouth-breathers be left forever out in the cold.

Then DoD and USG can get on with mending relationships within NATO....or whatever this thread is/was about :)
This might be the best post in the past several pages of this shitshow. Thank you.
 

Sonog

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A possible reason for her relief was her inclusion on this list, sent to SECDEF in December after he was nominated.

What a bunch of ignorant horse shit. Given current DoD leadership, are you guys seeing the morons and cretins in your ranks coming out in force? One of the low points of my service was watching the eyerolls and hearing the negative comments from Sailors and fellow officers on the first federally recognized Juneteenth while on deployment. Made me sick.
 

Hotdogs

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What a bunch of ignorant horse shit. Given current DoD leadership, are you guys seeing the morons and cretins in your ranks coming out in force? One of the low points of my service was watching the eyerolls and hearing the negative comments from Sailors and fellow officers on the first federally recognized Juneteenth while on deployment. Made me sick.

...to be honest with you - it's not one particular thing that makes people's eyes roll. No one really cared from my vantage point, and most people were elated on getting another day off for work. It was the general zeitgeist that was getting out of control. Now we have controversy over two national anthems, pronouns in bios, confusion over which bathroom to use, and fight over men in women's sports. One side of the political spectrum doesn't know which hills to die on and that's how we ended up where we're at now.
 

Brett327

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One side of the political spectrum doesn't know which hills to die on and that's how we ended up where we're at now.
This is true, mostly on the left, but the right goes there too. One clear example is the trans athlete issue. I say this as an LGTBQ ally… No sane person can justify biological males competing in women’s sports, and the left needs to stamp out that mindset if it ever wants to win another presidential election.
 

number9

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This is true, mostly on the left, but the right goes there too. One clear example is the trans athlete issue. I say this as an LGTBQ ally… No sane person can justify biological males competing in women’s sports, and the left needs to stamp out that mindset if it ever wants to win another presidential election.
I am a male and a former (quite successful) coach of a women's college sport, so take this with a grain of salt but: I think biological males in women's sports is, for all intents and purposes, a red herring. There are about 500,000 student-athletes (a moniker I abhor) and about 10 of them are estimated to be trans. While it is an issue that deserves a solution, it is nowhere near the most pressing issue in college sports.
 
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