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60flyer

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Even with two dedicated NSW squadrons, there would not be enough helos to satisfy all the SEALs (both teams and their training units)/EOD/HVBSS teams requirements. Will you fastrope SEALs into combat? Probably not (even though I believe an HS fleet squadron is currently active in Iraq). But there will be plenty of opportunities to do elevator training and maybe even take part in some of the SEALs' workups. As a future Guam guy, who do you think the SEALs will use for helo support on Guam? It's not like 85 would have a permanent det there just to elevators for the guys. 25's the only show in town.

Right now San Diego gets a fair amount of play time with the SEALs as well. Always new classes that need to be trained and they like the opportunity. Lots of HRSO and cast/recovery in the bay and at Turner field/elephant cage.
 

BACONATOR

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Even with two dedicated NSW squadrons, there would not be enough helos to satisfy all the SEALs (both teams and their training units)/EOD/HVBSS teams requirements. Will you fastrope SEALs into combat? Probably not (even though I believe an HS fleet squadron is currently active in Iraq). But there will be plenty of opportunities to do elevator training and maybe even take part in some of the SEALs' workups. As a future Guam guy, who do you think the SEALs will use for helo support on Guam? It's not like 85 would have a permanent det there just to elevators for the guys. 25's the only show in town.

Listen, I would LOVE to get to work some NSW, but I've also decided to hold off on camo-painting my face and throwing on the black clothing for now.

I was actually just talking to a CDR today about NSW and the future of our community, and it's kind of annoying how we train for it, but rarely employ our capabilities with NSW. He was saying it's mainly a budget issue and we don't have the budget to train for it as much as we need to, but hopefully that will change, especially as our new communities and the associated capabilites become more established, and pending the current administration's effect on our budget.

Until then, it seems like the Army (160th) does most of the NSW type stuff, which sucks because they tend to favor Army specops missions over NSW missions and will drop a SEAL mission in favor of taking an Army mission (or so I was told), which pisses off the SEALs. Apparently the SEALs want us as a dedicated NSW support platform, and we want it, but the brass says otherwise for the time being.

I know there are countless Naval Aviators chomping at the bit to drop off and pick up SEALs in-country with bullets flying and get that "green" time.
 

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Listen, I would LOVE to get to work some NSW, but I've also decided to hold off on camo-painting my face and throwing on the black clothing for now.

And what I'm saying is that you'll get to work with NSW....sort of. You'll help to train them, but you won't train hand in hand with a Team that you'll deploy along side and support for 6mo. You'll show up to their SEAL base and rope/cast them from the helo.

Your syllabus to make your quals in your squadron will be "tactically" oriented. Maybe during your time we'll see SWTP move into the background again and the old HAC syllabus come back into vogue. The Sea Combat portion of this syllabus will include HVBSS training flights. If Guam is still sending guys to the 2515th you'll get Strike qualified, which includes infil/exfil training flights. Once qualified in these areas, you're qualified to work with SEALs on actual missions as far as big Navy is concerned.

Just how Hornet guys train to air to air engagements, yet haven't shot someone down since Desert Storm (I think), we train to the NSW/tactical mission set.
 

BACONATOR

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And what I'm saying is that you'll get to work with NSW....sort of. You'll help to train them, but you won't train hand in hand with a Team that you'll deploy along side and support for 6mo. You'll show up to their SEAL base and rope/cast them from the helo.

Your syllabus to make your quals in your squadron will be "tactically" oriented. Maybe during your time we'll see SWTP move into the background again and the old HAC syllabus come back into vogue. The Sea Combat portion of this syllabus will include HVBSS training flights. If Guam is still sending guys to the 2515th you'll get Strike qualified, which includes infil/exfil training flights. Once qualified in these areas, you're qualified to work with SEALs on actual missions as far as big Navy is concerned.

Just how Hornet guys train to air to air engagements, yet haven't shot someone down since Desert Storm (I think), we train to the NSW/tactical mission set.

Got it, and I know I'm just a no-nothing ENS speculating a lot about this stuff. Thanks for the clarification.
 

HeyJoe

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Big Iron gets no respect

Pretty bad when a Navy MC mistakes a Navy Helo for an Army one....even with big clue: N-A-V-Y on side

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090712-N-0860R-124 GULF OF MEXICO (July 12, 2009) Aviation Boatswain's Mate (Handling) 2nd Class Della Smith, a landing signal enlisted (LSE) aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Makin Island (LHD 8), directs an Army CH-47 Chinook helicopter assigned to Joint Task Force Bravo to a landing aboard the ship. Makin Island departed Pascagoula, Miss., July 10 and is currently circumnavigating South America via the Strait of Magellan to its new homeport of San Diego. During its transit, the ship will make port visits in Brazil, Chile and Peru. Makin Island is the final amphibious assault ship built in the LHD-1 Wasp-class, but the first of the class built with Gas Turbine Engines and an electric drive. The ship is scheduled to be commissioned in October. (U.S. Navy Photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Justin Webb/Released)
 

HeyJoe

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You write the caption....

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090718-N-3610L-293 GULF OF OMAN (July 18, 2009) Lt. Cmdr. James Shell leans on the wing of an EA-6B Prowler assigned to the Cougars of Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 139 before flight operations aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76). Ronald Reagan is deployed in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Torrey W. Lee/Released)
 

HeyJoe

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Another you write the caption...

Note: Sidewinder is a 3 person lift...so what are all the other Ordies doing clustering around the wingtip?

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090720-N-9132C-115 GULF OF OMAN (July 20, 2009) Aviation ordnancemen assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 25 detach an AIM-9 Sidewinder missile from the wing of an F/A-18C Hornet aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76). Aviation ordnancemen are responsible for maintaining, repairing, installing, operating and handling aviation ordnance equipment. Ronald Reagan is deployed in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Oliver Cole/Released)
 

Alpha_Echo_606

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Some helo love.

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090721-N-9950J-314 CORAL SEA (July 21, 2009) Marine Capt. Erick Min and Marine Capt. Nathan Mahoney, assigned to Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron (HMM) 262, pilots a CH-53E Sea Stallion helicopter during an in-flight refueling with an Air Force KC-130 aircraft during exercise Talisman Saber 2009. (HMM) 262 is embarked aboard the forward-deployed amphibious assault ship USS Essex (LHD 2) to participate in Talisman Saber, a biennial, combined training activity designed to train Australian and U.S. forces in planning and conducting combined operations, which will help improve combat readiness and interoperability between Australian and U.S. forces. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Greg Johnson/Released)
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090721-N-9950J-236 CORAL SEA (July 21, 2009) Marine Capt. Erick Min, assigned to Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron (HMM) 262, pilots a CH-53E Sea Stallion helicopter during an in-flight refueling with an Air Force KC-130 aircraft during exercise Talisman Saber 2009. (HMM) 262 is embarked aboard the forward-deployed amphibious assault ship USS Essex (LHD 2) to participate in Talisman Saber, a biennial, combined training activity designed to train Australian and U.S. forces in planning and conducting combined operations, which will help improve combat readiness and interoperability between Australian and U.S. forces. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Greg Johnson/Released)
 

Flugelman

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Note: Sidewinder is a 3 person lift...so what are all the other Ordies doing clustering around the wingtip?

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090720-N-9132C-115 GULF OF OMAN (July 20, 2009) Aviation ordnancemen assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 25 detach an AIM-9 Sidewinder missile from the wing of an F/A-18C Hornet aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76). Aviation ordnancemen are responsible for maintaining, repairing, installing, operating and handling aviation ordnance equipment. Ronald Reagan is deployed in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Oliver Cole/Released)

"OK, those dimwits dropped the last one... be ready to catch this one."
 
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