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The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
pilot
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Well I think it is safe to say that whenever the govt gets involved, the cost of anything eventually goes up
And sometimes that's bad and sometimes good. It depends on the situation, and needs to be evaluated accordingly. Without government, meat might be a great deal cheaper. It would also have a higher percentage of human fingers mixed in, too.

The race to the bottom in regards to customer service at airlines has hosed a ton of passengers. You can say that you get what you pay for, or we might also say that there's a floor of reasonable service that someone needs to ensure if the market isn't doing that on its own.
 
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sevenhelmet

Low calorie attack from the Heartland
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Can any of you airline brainiacs tell me how this is going to work? Mandatory refunds if delayed beyond a certain time... does that mean when I'm delayed, the airline will pay me and then cut me loose to start from scratch?

How is that better than what they do now? Seems kind of worse for people traveling on their own dime, if you ask me.
 

Fallonflyr

Well-Known Member
pilot
And sometimes that's bad and sometimes good. It depends on the situation, and needs to be evaluated accordingly. Without government, meat might be a great deal cheaper. It would also have a higher percentage of human fingers mixed in, too.

The race to the bottom in regards to customer service at airlines has hosed a ton of passengers. You can say that you get what you pay for, or we might also say that there's a floor of reasonable service that someone needs to ensure if the market isn't doing that on its own.
Funny how there is a public perception that the airlines are out to personally screw them. I can say for certain that the goal is to get people to their destination safely on time. Wx and maintenance issues some time get in the way…shit happens.
 

number9

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ea6bflyr

Working Class Bum
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Funny how there is a public perception that the airlines are out to personally screw them. I can say for certain that the goal is to get people to their destination safely on time. Wx and maintenance issues some time get in the way…shit happens.
But the airlines are in charge of scheduling and the tight execution timelines lead to cascading failures when something does go sideways....
 

SynixMan

Mobilizer Extraordinaire
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Biggest stealth item is the implementation of the Pilot and Controller Mental Health Rule-making Committee recommendations. Hopefully people can talk to someone soon without risking their medical.
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
pilot
Super Moderator
But the airlines are in charge of scheduling and the tight execution timelines lead to cascading failures when something does go sideways....
Exactly. If you try to maximize your profit by taking out all slack in the system, fine. Just pay me when your company leaves me stuck in fucking North Dakota and I miss my vacation.
 

wink

War Hoover NFO.
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" Taking slack out of the system" makes it more efficient. Could mean more profit, could reduce fares. But also reduces connection times getting your family to Wally World. quicker with more options so you can visit grandma in the same trip. Depends on where you sit. In the meanwhile check out the historic ROI on airlines.
 

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
pilot
Exactly. If you try to maximize your profit by taking out all slack in the system, fine. Just pay me when your company leaves me stuck in fucking North Dakota and I miss my vacation.

I think this is fair. I'm out of fingers to count the number of times that a 1 hr ground turn (for crew) between two airplanes and potentially 2 different concourses, doesn't play out like it did on paper. Enough of those in a row, with a particular aircraft, and you are into the cascading failure of the day you speak of. That doesn't even get into ATC flow/metering, which IMO shouldn't be the airlines fault, monetarily.
 

Random8145

Registered User
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And sometimes that's bad and sometimes good. It depends on the situation, and needs to be evaluated accordingly. Without government, meat might be a great deal cheaper. It would also have a higher percentage of human fingers mixed in, too.
I understand your point about the importance of government regulation, however I've read that government actually reduces the price of meat due to corn subsidies. Don't know how true that is though.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
pilot
Contributor
I understand your point about the importance of government regulation, however I've read that government actually reduces the price of meat due to corn subsidies. Don't know how true that is though.
That just makes corn more expensive and creates incentives for farmers to grow corn instead of wheat and soybeans making those products more expensive too. You’re paying for it one way or the other.
 
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