phantomphixer82
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VF-74 did not have an Air Force Exchange pilot before transitioning to the Tomcat's. We did have a German exchange pilot though
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The Tomcat Legacy; 35+ years from Fleet Air Defender to Recce to Precision Strike
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VF-74 did not have an Air Force Exchange pilot before transitioning to the Tomcat's. We did have a German exchange pilot though
It was an Air Force exchange guy as I checked with mishap pilot.
phantomphixer82
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I am not sure when the Air Force exchange pilot was in VF-74, but I was in VF-74 from the end of 1981 to 1985, and transitioned to the F-14's in 1983. We lost 3 phantom's before the transition to Tomcats, 1 to a bad cat launch, and 2 to ramp strikes. He would have had to have been there before me, and I never heard about it. I am not saying it did not happen, it just did not happen when I was there. Where do you find mishap information?
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Blutonski816
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phantomphixer82
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Heyjoe was talking about another inncedent that happened with an Air Force exchange pilot that shot down his wing man while in VF-74. I was trying to figure out when it happened.
Good for you. I don't touch that switch unless I'm intending for something to come off my jet. You guys have some f'd up switchology. I can do all that and never have to arm up. Laser has it's own arm switch, not slaved to the master arm. Older (Lot X and below) Hornets have to arm up to get items out, but that changed with XII and up.
Joe,
Vincennes had nothing to do with firebreaks when they bagged that Iranian airliner. They were engaged at the time, and they initially got a mode II squawk back from the contact, labeling it as an Iranian Tomcat. Turns out there was a Tomcat on the field at the time at the hold short from where the Airbus took off from, and they think that's where it originated from. Never got another Mode II return, but you know once you head down that road during the cluster, it's hard to turn the train around.
The pilot of the RF-4 came through Randolph T-38 PIT back around '94 or '95. I was an IP there, and he gave his version of the story to us while showing us the Tomcat video. I don't remember enough details as clearly as I should, but needless to say, his version is very harsh on the Tomcat pilot (but not the RIO). He was tracked for a long time, and the pilot claims he thought it was an Iranian F-4. If I recall right, he said the Tomcat pilot's father did an air-to-air kill years prior.
Anyways, I don't know where he got the info, but since it had been 7 years since the incident, he had had time to get the scoop on what happened.
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IIRC, the Alaska Eagle blue-on-blue was with 2 Eagles that were on alert. I guess they get to occasionally get to launch for some flight time, and that's when the near-frat took place. The shooter was a 1Lt.
Anyways, I don't know where he got the info, but since it had been 7 years since the incident, he had had time to get the scoop on what happened.
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IIRC, the Alaska Eagle blue-on-blue was with 2 Eagles that were on alert. I guess they get to occasionally get to launch for some flight time, and that's when the near-frat took place. The shooter was a 1Lt.
Never said it happened when you were there. I was flying with mishap pilot in 1981 at VF-101 and he told me the story as did his RIO on another occasion. It occured in late seventies. Air Force exchange billet later went to VF-41 and German slot went to VF-74 so it would remain a Phantom exchange tour as long as feasible. It then went to VA-42 as Germans went to Tornadoes although last pilot in 1991 complained it was too slow for his liking.
Thanks for enlightening me on your recap. I was on the FIREBREAK study instituted by Admiral Kelso and we went through every step of what happened in all the incidents I mentioned. So I am familiar with deatils of what each player did or recounted. The Vincennes shootdown was in 1988 so of course there could have not been anything related to"firebreaks" as you started your comment directed at me. Did you get your dates backwards?*
*Note: "FIREBREAK" measures as I referenced it did not occur until 93-94 timeframe after we interacted directly with CNO on potential measures to mitigate risk and avoid such unfortunate incidents in the future.
No, I actually picked those words quite intentionally. Frat is no joke, and anyone who shrugs it off thinking that it is needs to have their attitude re-caged. Especially so when someone is engaging in pompous fanboy dickswinging in support of a fighter jet on an internet forum.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't keelhauling the punishment for striking an officer on a ship (at least that's what it was in "Mutiny On The Bounty"!
)?Yep, well familiar with that one as an F-15 pilot. Happened 19 March 1990 with an AIM-9P.
My comments were not intended to point fingers at anyone who this has happened to, nor imply that this was somehow a gold-wing problem and not a silver-wing problem. On the contrary, my comments were aimed at the numbnuts -- that apparently you guys ID'd as a non-aviator anyway -- who called the splashing of a US aircraft a "kill".
That Eagle is a tough airplane.
case in point...
The pics on the left are fake I believe, done for the program. The ones on the right are definitely not.
So which pics are correct???? Just playin', it's obvious
I'm suprised nobody is bagging on the Army in this situation. Didn't our Army bretheren bag a Tornado during the beginning of OIF? Didn't they go blue on blue on someone else during the first Gulf War?
