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U.S. Urged to Consolidate Nuclear Weapons
- Thread starter Fly Navy
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Sounds to me like gaijin really knows his stuff on Japan and has quite an arguement to present. Rep points for that. I'll second the fact that anything in the Formosa/Tiawan Straights is just a bad thing waiting to happen.
I'll jump on the bandwagon for rearming Japan as having them be a counter balance in the theatre. They would easily adopt the role of regional superpower considering their great wealth and incredible technology. And who knows what they already have in terms of military power and technology. Bad memory, but do remember that even India managed to pull the wool over our eyes and develop a nuclear weapons program without full CIA knowledge. I'd risk it to say the Japanese are quite a bit more clever. But I'm not implying they have ICBMs ready for use or anything like that.
As for China, from the classes I took on it, and the reading I try to keep up on, the leadership culture there really is not affected by the short term, just like A4's said. They do not feel a long term threat from us. They know we have to come all the way across an ocean and even then we've just started. More than anything they belive in the staying power of their culture. They will do whatever they can to save face, if that means tactical nukes, it would be unreasonable to discount that possibility. They have no intentions of being "shown up" by some 200+ year old, wet behind the ears, western country. A draw, and a war of attrition is enough for them to save face. So the only way we win is to invade and occupy the most populous nation on earth. We shouldn't be so quick to start thinking that way.
I'll jump on the bandwagon for rearming Japan as having them be a counter balance in the theatre. They would easily adopt the role of regional superpower considering their great wealth and incredible technology. And who knows what they already have in terms of military power and technology. Bad memory, but do remember that even India managed to pull the wool over our eyes and develop a nuclear weapons program without full CIA knowledge. I'd risk it to say the Japanese are quite a bit more clever. But I'm not implying they have ICBMs ready for use or anything like that.
As for China, from the classes I took on it, and the reading I try to keep up on, the leadership culture there really is not affected by the short term, just like A4's said. They do not feel a long term threat from us. They know we have to come all the way across an ocean and even then we've just started. More than anything they belive in the staying power of their culture. They will do whatever they can to save face, if that means tactical nukes, it would be unreasonable to discount that possibility. They have no intentions of being "shown up" by some 200+ year old, wet behind the ears, western country. A draw, and a war of attrition is enough for them to save face. So the only way we win is to invade and occupy the most populous nation on earth. We shouldn't be so quick to start thinking that way.
gaijin6423
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Circle K said:
A few years ago, another random Chinese official publically posed the question of just what Taiwan was worth to the US. More along the lines of, "Is Taiwan worth LA, Seatle and San Diego, because that's what we'll blow up." A long history of rattling their sabers (or is it kung fu swords) at us, but I think the real questions are:
A. Would the Chinese actually push the button on us? If push came to shove, yeah I think they would, trade partner status be damned.
B. (Probably more importantly) Would a ROGUE ELEMENT of the Chinese government/military push the button on us? Hmm... Would a corrupt, ultra-nationalist Chinese general/politician with access to nukes seize an opportunity to shoot and drive China to centerstage? I wouldn't rule that possibility out, would you?
gaijin6423 said:
Yeah, but will we ever stop building factories over there? Nope . . . it seems useless to ask any modern CEO to worry about anything other than increasing their stock price by another quarter of a point . . .
gaijin6423
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nittany03 said:
You won't hear any argument from me. I think the US has treated China too much like a 3rd world country for too long. Probably time to consider viewing them as a viable competitor instead.
gaijin6423 said:
Even if they were a 3rd world country, they're way too damn big not to worry about. And I agree with you that if push came to shove they would push the button. I bet they would love to see another al Qaeda attack on us as well, would probably even help if possible.
gaijin6423
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Brett327 said:What a great thread this has become! I'll throw in for re-arming the Js as well. What the hell, I love those guys, plus their shenanagins are cheeky and fun.
Brett
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gaijin6423 said:
I recall them threatening our west coast over Taiwan. My question is "when is this going to happen? What are they waiting for?"
It seems that the US is certainly content over the present arrangement with Taiwan. And of course, China isn't. My thoughts are that if they would've "rattled sabers" with us about it, they would have done so already. Anyone have any ideas as to whats holding this confrontation up?
Godspeed said:
"Saber rattling" refers to a country making threats, posturing, etc. It's not actually engaging in a fight.
What's keeping up their invasion of Taiwain? Us, for one. The other being that they have no amphibious capability that is required to invade the island... yet.
That's what i initially thought, until I did a brief search on the chinese navy. It appears as if they are quite capable of invading and taking Taiwan. The question remains.....
Chinese Navy/Marine force.
http://www.navyleague.org/seapower/chinas_navy_today.htm
Chinese Navy/Invasion of Taiwan
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/7/9/171703.shtml
Chinese Navy/Marine force.
http://www.navyleague.org/seapower/chinas_navy_today.htm
Chinese Navy/Invasion of Taiwan
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/7/9/171703.shtml
Fly Navy said:
Interesting...but do you think that its possible that two parties who dont get along, but who share a "hatred" for a third party can unite if it would be in their best interest to destroy this bigger, stronger third party? I worded that like a douche but I think it makes sense.