sodajones
Combat Engineer
USGI synthetic stocks, springfield armory inc. synthetic stocks, and of course McM synthetic stocks are all heavier than a standard walnut stock.
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USMC M249 SAW Substitute
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USGI synthetic stocks, springfield armory inc. synthetic stocks, and of course McM synthetic stocks are all heavier than a standard walnut stock.
Any future M-16/AR-type future development has GOT to be gas piston or something "newer & better" ... cleaner & cooler ... otherwise, why even go there??
And then there's still that pesky question of a .22 bullet for combat ... ??
I wasn't clear I don't think. I was commenting on the Colt IAR and HOW STUPID it is that we're talking about an automatic rifle with a direct gas system; probably in the name of weight, but at a pretty big price in reliability and maintenance time I would imagine.
And com'on! It's .223!:icon_wink
We're trying to make it lighter, not heavier. It also has to fire from the closed bolt, and in full auto without knocking rifleman jimmy on his ass.
ACTUALLY ... it's a .224 bullet ... but who's counting??
It's still closer to a .22 than a .30 ...
sodajones
Combat Engineer
Stop with this 'logic' nonsense.
I'm sick of carrying the bravo. I was wrong though, it's the minimi240 that weighs significantly less. The echo six is only 3 or 4 lbs lighter because of a titanium receiver.
I just learned that the other day. Actually, indirectly from you.
One of the complaints of the SAW is that an open weapon is believed to be unsuitable for room clearing. The LWRC entry is closed-bolt from semi and open from auto.
The other entries, IIRC (and definitely the Colt) are open-bolt though, so that was probably not a key requirement.
Actually then, you sir, are a more beautiful person than you were .... just the other day ...
ACTUALLY ... it's a .224 bullet ... but who's counting??
It's still closer to a .22 than a .30 ...
Well I think the 5.56mm/.223 will be "it" - practical results, history, and small arms experts around the world have rallied around this cartridge. I don't think DOD or NATO will ever move from this caliber - not in our lifetime anyway. Even anecdotes from Mesopotamia and Afghanistan have proven this cartridge does the job. And now as the MK262 77 Grain version becomes the standard...
Will .30 Caliber cartridges have a place? Sure. Just not in the rifle of the basic infantry Soldier/Marine
I mean closed. I was arguing why a mini 240 wouldn't fit the profile for the new IAR. I suppose we're both right though, since somebody mandated it fire from the open and closed bolt positions.
BTW, the SCAR entry that automatically figures out which position to fire from mechanically by the temperature...yeah sounds like a lot of parts to lose.
BTW, I still need/want/require/desire one of those ... too bad the civie-street version will not have all the whistles & bells ...
BTW, I still need/want/require/desire one of those ... too bad the civie-street version will not have all the whistles & bells ...
What whistles and bells do you desire ? I thought other than 16" barrel and semi auto only it was still the SCAR (in both .308 and .223)