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Venezuela May Sell F-16's to Iran
- Thread starter DanMa1156
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Arms get sold from one country to another all the time. Hindsight is always 20/20. Here is the Iranin air force history. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce.htm
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TXHusker05
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The better question would be, why does Venezuela need F-16's? The reason they are selling them is because our ban on arms sales restricts parts for the F-16. They can go ahead and sell them to Iran, look at how the F-14's we sold Iran turned out.
fighterpfeif
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This brings up a good reason why when we start to sell F-35s we should be sure of who we are selling them to and try to restrict what happens to the technology. Self Destruct Mechanism?
The Venezuelan F-16's will go into disrepair, just like Iran's F-14's did, as long as they are not being sent parts for them. Even the best tactical jets are somewhat maintainence intensive and need more than duct tape to fly, especially with the elite Venezuelan pilots at the controls bouncing landings. Chavez has a serious Napoleon complex and is just trying to see how far he can push things and when his mouth gets him in over his head, I don't think there will be to many countries willing to put their heads on the chopping block to help him.
How in the world are you planning on doing that? Crystal ball? In 15 years we could be vicious enemies with the UK - unlikely, but not impossible. This is the same thing that happened with Iran, also one of our staunchest allies in the cold war until '79. Like the old investment disclaimer states: Past performance is no guarantee of future results. That said, the notion that we should magically know who's going to be bad guys 10 years down the road is a bit naive.fighterpfeif said:
As for self-destruction, you've been watching too many movies.
Brett
Perhaps George W (Washington, that is 
was giving good advice when he told us not to enter into permanent alliances.
Just something to ponder. I mean, we've been dicked over many a times by our own arms sales (Current Taliban, Iran, I'm too tired to think of others at the moment)...
Who knows though...
was giving good advice when he told us not to enter into permanent alliances. Just something to ponder. I mean, we've been dicked over many a times by our own arms sales (Current Taliban, Iran, I'm too tired to think of others at the moment)...
Who knows though...
fighterpfeif
New Member
A crystal ball would be nice.
Just a little concerning exporting stealth technology, the avionics, and the engines on the F-35. The real self destruct mechanism isn't a bomb, but the price tag.
Just a little concerning exporting stealth technology, the avionics, and the engines on the F-35. The real self destruct mechanism isn't a bomb, but the price tag.
TXHusker05 said:
Venezuela bought the F-16's in the '80's when they were our some of our staunchest allies in the region, and they had a lot of money from oil exports (still do obviously, ever heard of Citgo?). Much of their military has been trained by us, though Chavez is trying to weed them out. The Venezuelan Air Force was instrumental in the failure of Chavez's attempted coup in 1992.
Iran is still flying F-14's and will continue to do so after we retire them, not too bad for being cut off 26 or 27 years ago.......
DanMav1156 said:Perhaps George W (Washington, that is
Just something to ponder. I mean, we've been dicked over many a times by our own arms sales (Current Taliban, Iran, I'm too tired to think of others at the moment)...
Who knows though...
First of all... permanent alliances? Gee, should we dissolve the North Atlantic Treaty Organization... the very first "permanent alliance"? Or our treaties with South Korea and Japan, which contributed immesurably to their development as meaningful contributors to democratic society?
Can you explain how a Soviet client state in Iran since the 1950s would have been more beneficial to US security? Or how a Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s would have left us better off?
I've heard a lot of hysterical screaming since the 1980s that our sale of Stingers to the mean old Afghans would hurt the US (see the movie Navy SEALs). Seen any real-life repurcussions of our arms sales to Afghanistan? Any airliners shot down by FIM-92s? No? Gawsh, funny how those idiot liberals don't turn around and admit that Reagan did exactly the right thing...
squorch2 said:
In the absence of a specific argument as to why selling arms to Afghanistan was bad...