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Venezuela May Sell F-16's to Iran
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How many kills does the F-16 have under its belt (not including the Patriot battery in Iraq and the Canadian ground forces in the Stan)?Barnard1425 said:
Concur. Why buy F-16s with no support when they can buy Russian or Chinese jets with a promise of logistics support and arguably superior upgrades (Python IV notwhithstanding)? As an aside, without getting into specifics, the Python IV ain't no AIM-9X.Barnard1425 said:
Brett
TurnandBurn, I like Reagan, don't get me wrong. One of my favorite presidents, without a doubt. Nonetheless, I was just making a counterpoint. Like Brett said, who knows, maybe we will be at war in 15 years with some NATO allies? Sure we have to fight the battle we have today, but we can't stop thinking about tomorrow's battle either. We're a little short-sighted in this country.
Brett327 said:
About 55 (claimed) from I can find on the net (jives with what I have heard before). The Israelis claim 46, 2 Mi-8Hip helos and 44 MiG-21/23's. There are about 7 US kills, about 2 Iraqi and 4 or 5 Serb. And 1 Dutch Serb MiG-29 kill during OAF.
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_270.shtml
Flash said:
...and there's Flash, bringing down the people's elbow from the top row.
You obviously can't predict the future, but to say that you can't make some effort to control technology exports is silly. Great Britain is not equivalent in stability to, say, Pakistan. You don't give the super-gucci gear to countries that may be different in a year, let alone 10. Still, you have to find a middle ground. It's only by reaching sufficient order quantities that weapons prices become reasonable. Having foreign orders brings our prices down.
Barnard1425 said:
Dude, that's a legit tactic. I saw Harmon Rabb do that in a JAG episode.
I can remember a picture of a Venezuelan T-2 Buckeye hanging in the Ready Room of VT-26 in Beeville. This was their primary attack aircraft. It was a neat pic, the T-2 was painted Camo and had its available armament displayed before it. One of our instructors was LtCol Chavez (hopefully, no relation) of the Venezuelan Air Force. We have had long standing ties with this country.
fighterpfeif said:
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The US planes are getting different avionics and radar capability than everyone else. Everyone else gets grouped into different categories. The categories would look something like this (I don't exactly remember the brackets):
Closest allies -
Next closest allies -
etc -
etc -
Quite a bit of the "stealth" aspect is in the radar. So the idea is that even if our JSF's would combating a JSF that we gave to someone else, we would still be able to see it before they see us. As you go down the categories the amount of margin between our systems and theirs increases.
The trick was building the weaker components in such a way that there is still a jump to our level of components. Basically, you can't just enter in a flaw, or they would just reverse engineer and fix the flaw. It has to be a separate design.
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