What Navy boys do with Air Force jets....

[Hudson]

Has any one seen the new uniforms that the Air Force is trying out? Exactly what does blue camo hide you from? Color blind people? I can't think of a single thing that this uniform is useful for. Maybe making bad B rated sci fi movies.
Sorry had to vent. What are they thinking?

 

[kevin]

well see, you can hide incognito among smurfs. and the afa pornster...why, that's smurfing brilliant.

 

[vegita1220]

i thought porn wasn't illegal? Or is it only legally restricted to magazines? Or did this zoomie have a weird kiddie porn fetish?

 

[PU Grad]

It was probably an agreement that he made to use the AF Academy's (government's) internet. I will not use this connection to sell goods over the internet or host a server. Or maybe even more specific reference about no porn to be accessed over the internet provided by the Academy.

It is amazing how many Universities are against people hosting servers over the college's internet.

Kobyra

 

[ScottHook]

Word on the street is he's facing charges of Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Illegal Use of Government Computers. A max of 14 years.

 

[Av Fan]

sh*t, I dont know what they are doing with the new uniform either. I dont think anyone in the AF wants it either. I hate the fact that they are using the pointy Marine cover. I can understand the blue color though. 90 percent of the AF jobs have nothing to do with being "hidden" anyways, and the folks that need it like PJ's or CCT's will have the uniform of the detachment they are deployed with which is the standard desert or woodland style. The blue color is just supposed to be a distinctive thing. I hate being in BDUs and then getting asked if I am in the Army. The higher ups are trying to make it where if you work in an office or any job where manual labor is not involved, you will be in blues. This is even supposed to be for the rated guys when they arent flying. I guess this could go the other way too. What are you squids trying to hide from with your denim pants and your name stitched to your ass? A blue jean forest? As far as the academy freaks go, who knows what they are thinking. Talk to anyone that went to the academy, they will tell you that place is crazy. The stuff you read about in the paper is just the stuff that leaks out. Its nothing compared to what goes on up there. They will tell you,"Its a good place to be from, but a sh*tty place to be at." I have even heard of alot of folks getting IHTFP engraved on the inside of their ring. "I Hate This F'n Place."

 

[TSPO]

I imagine that the zoo is alot like a federal prison, only worse, you have to be responsible for things. As far as the BDU's go, I'm glad I wear bags, that's for sure. Not that it really matters what color they are, who the hell in the Air Force really has to blend in with anything, anyway? I just don't like maintaining the BDU's, I'd rather wear blues. Any color of BDU's is a hell of alot better than my old bellbottom dungarees, though. I remember having an inspection set of dungarees. What a joke. The uniform is so damn ugly, the Navy is even embarassed of it. We weren't allowed to wear those things anywhere outside of base, not even to pump gas on the way home. So what's the purpose of having them inspected? Freaking squid morons. Speaking of prisons, don't prisoners wear navy uniforms? That's probably where the name tag on the ass thing comes in. Or maybe its a metaphorical thing. You know, the Navy is so used to screwing it's enlisted guys, you at least want to know who it is you're screwing as you slide it in.

By the way, is the fact that the Navy take shortcuts a good thing? Maybe that's part of the reason the flight deck is so damn unsafe. I'll bet if they had a philosophy even close to what the Air Force has for attention to detail when it comes to regs that even the flight deck could be a safer place. Are any of you aviators familiar with the holdback mechanism on the S-3 or EA-6B? There is a little pin that inserts into the holdback bar that will break with a certain amount of force applied to it, after the catapult fire button is pushed. The purpose of it is to hold the jet back when it is at full throttle, waiting for the cat to fire. If a damaged pin gets put in there, it could break before the cat fires, having the jet take off towards the end of the ship without the aid of the cat. For this reason, you are supposed to discard any that get damaged, even if they are dropped from higher than waist level. But what about when Airman Blow drops the whole box? If you throw them all out, they can't launch any more planes until they get more. Boy, the Cat O would be pissed, can't have that, better use them and hope for the best. Chew on that the next time your jet is in tension, waiting for those couple of seconds until the cat launches. That's just one of the many many shortcuts the Cat guys take. I could go into detail about some more potentially hazardous shortcuts that are taken, but I'll leave that to your imagination. All part of the deal when taking shortcuts is business as usual.

 

[kevin]

off topic, pj is one of the sweatest jobs in the military (i was hoping to do that awhile ago) but then it was enlisted only. i had heard they opened it up for some officers, but it was going to be a situation where you get to go in the field for a couple years (read 1 or 2) and then shoved behind a desk to watch the "younglings" do the cool stuff.

 

[vegita1220]

I think what TSPO is trying to say is...leave your ####ing hand on the ####ing ejection handle when you take off. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Av Fan]

Yeah their is usually only 1 to 2 officer PJ slots per year, and I heard they are there because NCO's were tired of making O-6 decisions out in the field. So basically you would be there to take blame if something went wrong. Sounds pretty sh*tty to me.

 

[wink]

The point of my post was that the AF will have you paying attention to details that are useless in manageing risk or planning a more effective mission. Like fuel planning to beyond your ability to accurately read the gage. I am familier with hold backs. Got the one from my first launch on the shelf right here. Since I wasn't a Shooter I can't comment on your scenario except to say that if the ship is down to just the one box that happens to be dropped then there are bigger problems. I'd be curious to know if any Cat Officers approved of using a dropped box of hold backs or if a green shirt made that unilateral decision to cover up his mistake. All that said, if it is so common as TSPO says then maybe dropping a box of hold backs isn't such a hazard to launch. The incidence of hold backs breaking in tension is very very small. I can't think of more than 3 or 4 in the last ten years. Given the number a launches that is almost insignificant. I'll worry about other things if I ever get the honor of flying to the boat again.

 

[Jaxs170]

Having begun flight training w/ the good ole AF, I can say that they are a bit anal in areas that have nothing to do with nothing.

Just after I started, word came down of a bunch of guys failing checkrides because they didn't have a new pub that had just come out. Mind you, no one told them it HAD come out AND the info that was changed had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING INVOLVING THEIR CHECKRIDE. Apparently, the flight examiners here just love to do this to studs.

Here is another great example, my personal favorite of how anal they can be: Studs get quizzes on bold face item, for Navy guys these would be the parts of EPs that you need to know from memory. The quiz was written. Granted, there aren't too many of them to remember, but in this instance this particular stud did know them all and yet he still failed. You ask why, here's the anwser: He had crossed his t's while spelling the word throttle so they almost looked like a pie (as in 3.14...) symbol, and the instructor failed the kid

Now, please, AvFan, TPSO, or any other AF fan out there, please just try to defend this BS!

 

[wink]

Thanks Jaxs. I know some of these guys don't take my observations and analysis seriously. They must think it is the miscellaneous ramblings of a salty old dude that is still drinking the Navy kool aide. You have proven my point.

 

[TSPO]

First of all, it happened on the Ike back in 92-93(?) when the CAG was sitting in an F-14 on Cat 1. The 14's don't have the breaking pin, but something caused the holdback bar to release early. Being a vastly experience aviator, he got the plane stopped before reaching the end of the track. That's the only instance I remember happening. Anyway, my point wasn't that it's a common problem, just an example of how a habit of taking shortcuts can be potentially life threatening. And when I say one box, I meant in the workcenter. Do you really think the Air Boss wants to postpone the launch while the freaking holdback guy runs down to maintenance support to get more pins because he dropped the box in the catwalk? Whatever- my point is that it's not good to make a habit of taking shortcuts, no matter how seemingly insignificant it may be, because one day it just may cost somebody their life. As they say, the regs are written in blood, and I'll choose to make it my habit to follow them. I'm glad I'll be surrounded by others that take it as seriously.

 

[TSPO]

Still drinking it? You mean you actually drank that bug juice? I heard that it could actually be used to polish brass. Now that's salty, when you run out of brass to polish and start polishing your innards.