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Blackhawk / CRJ-700 Midair
- Thread starter Meyerkord
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FWIW on my last deployment as an HSC Bubba, we got with Airboss and the HSM squadron together to join in doing comm out case 1 recoveries. HSM would form up on HSC as wing, HSC would count the jets we already counted, look for a light, find the LSE... can be done.
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It is not just the FAA that needs to 'unfuck it', they aren't only getting pressure from the flying public but in the unique case of National, the government and Congress as customers. The increase in flights in and out of National within the last year that was decried by some as increasing risk to flight safety? A direct result of a law passed by Congress last year.
My point was that they've gone high and right with a pretty big hammer. Regular 30min ground stops with holding/diverts for VIP/POTUS movement will throw a wrench in schedules. I can grant you the helo corridor below an approach path was pushing the mark, but this is a crazy "interim solution".
Close call in Chicago today…
amp.cnn.com
Southwest Airlines plane aborts landing to avoid colliding with private jet at Chicago Midway Airport | CNN
A Southwest Airlines plane and a private jet that entered the runway without authorization experienced a close call at Chicago Midway International Airport on Tuesday morning, the Federal Aviation Administration said.
My advice to helos in general would be like you all are saying.....with an emphasis....perhaps a triple emphasis on LISTENING. I'm sort of being facetious but in reality, it does seem like your standard phraseology is "this is me, let me read you a book report about my position and intentions and step on all other comms before I go back to doing helicopter things"
<obviously generalizing, before the rotary wing mafia beheads me, and drags my corpse through the streets of NS Mayport.....
I’ll double down on this after having flown from NASNI for this last week. I am not exaggerating by saying that i have PTSD from listening to every frequency down here. All i want to do is turn the radios off and make it fucking stop. Do you guys ever stop running your mouths? It’s absolute insanity. I was kind of joking before, I’m really not now. You all need to go back to primary. How do you make your initial call to ground, and then take an audible break from transmission while still keying the mic, to figure out how many souls on board you have……and then make another stupid radio call to correct your original call which provided the wrong SOB count…….that shit should just be on a knee board card and well known, and if it isn’t, figure that shit out before you talk on the radio. WT actual fuck dudes?
You get fingered by an HSC bubba while you were in NASNI or something? Jesus.
Haha no, that would probably be more enjoyable than listening to this circus. Maybe my tone is a bit harsh, but holy mother of god, i didnt actually know how bad this was
Having gone to Oceana and Lemoore, it's better than the unintelligible ground calls you guys do. I get it, your flight schedule is in the tower and they know everything about you already so you can get away with brevity. Ain't the same everywhere my man.
I mean, there are two FRS squadrons there and a good deal of that may have been CAT Is learning….
Out of curiosity, do helicopter squadrons not send their schedules to the tower at NASNI? If not, why not?
Speaking for Pendleton and other USMC air stations at least yes the towers get the schedules. The verbose calls (particularly with pax and time of flight) is ostensibly for SAR concerns since amount of pax outside listed aircrew isn’t generally annotated on the schedule (and there won’t be an 1801). Having said that Marine air stations generally don’t require that amount of information pax or otherwise - calls at KNFG were much more concise (“Callsign Taxi [requested course rules departure point]). I don’t know if that’s institutional habit patterns or differences in local policies though. When I flew out of Naval Air Stations they never had issue with not appending the extra info.
They do, but it's for not, apparently. For years, I would ask why helicopters have to give their life story to ground. NASNI is the worst, but Mayport was pretty bad. There was one stretch when I was the Safety Officer and the Tower Chief was a just-arrived Warrant and I was able to talk to him about how silly the calls are. He agreed (I think he may have come from Oceana or Lemoore) and we were able to just give a souls, fuel and SAR capability call. That lasted about a month.
I shit you not, on more than one occasion I was launching IFR and Ground asked for all of my details.
"All of that is on the DD-175 I filed."
<Chaos in the tower ensues>
Yes.
I think a lot of it comes from Whiting where every helo student learns to tell the world their life story, so that becomes the norm for the community. But NASNI's Base Ops manual is also pretty silly by requiring all of it in black and white.
Good grief. Maybe DOGE will fix it.
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…but probably not.
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…but probably not.
What’s that old saying, “Better to remain silent and let them wonder whether or not you are smooth-brained rotor trash, than to speak and remove all doubt”?