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jamal1825

Well-Known Member
Thank you. My recruiter is an Ensign prior enlisted. Some of the info he has given me seems to contradict what I have heard from other

Thank you. My recruiter is an Ensign prior enlisted. Some of the info he has given me seems to contradict what I have heard from others.
Reach out to the Program Manager for further instructions. They should be able to assist you with this matter.
 

Kahtick

New Member
No Congressional letter needed. However, if it's been 2-3 x applying and you're still a non select, you really ought to take a holistic / "come to Jeezus" moment to see if you truly meet the qualifications + competitiveness for the respective program.
Thanks for the insight. IP seems to be ultra competitive. I have certs, leadership, a Master's Degree in Cybersecurity, over 20 years experience in IT including supervisory roles, and plus 20 years in the Navy with the last few of those being in LPO roles for multiple units. The last time I did my OIC Board I did not know all the Information Warfare Designators so he graded me a 6. My recruiter told me not to submit this time because even though I got 10's across the board on my panel the OIC grade would not get me selected.

Honestly the only designator I fall close to even qualifying for is 1825. For some reason he also told me to apply for Intel because of one of my certs and Master's Degree but when I spoke to the OIC who happened to be Intel he said "Yeah none of that relates to what we do." Hopefully I can bump my OIC grade up quite a bit from a 6 because I seem to do fine on the panels as they all liked me. The IP Officer had nothing but praise and said I had multiple things they are looking for in the community.
 
Thanks for the insight. IP seems to be ultra competitive. I have certs, leadership, a Master's Degree in Cybersecurity, over 20 years experience in IT including supervisory roles, and plus 20 years in the Navy with the last few of those being in LPO roles for multiple units. The last time I did my OIC Board I did not know all the Information Warfare Designators so he graded me a 6. My recruiter told me not to submit this time because even though I got 10's across the board on my panel the OIC grade would not get me selected.

Honestly the only designator I fall close to even qualifying for is 1825. For some reason he also told me to apply for Intel because of one of my certs and Master's Degree but when I spoke to the OIC who happened to be Intel he said "Yeah none of that relates to what we do." Hopefully I can bump my OIC grade up quite a bit from a 6 because I seem to do fine on the panels as they all liked me. The IP Officer had nothing but praise and said I had multiple things they are looking for in the community.
Yeah everything I’ve observed indicate that the OIC rating is perhaps the most significant item.
 

jamal1825

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the insight. IP seems to be ultra competitive. I have certs, leadership, a Master's Degree in Cybersecurity, over 20 years experience in IT including supervisory roles, and plus 20 years in the Navy with the last few of those being in LPO roles for multiple units. The last time I did my OIC Board I did not know all the Information Warfare Designators so he graded me a 6. My recruiter told me not to submit this time because even though I got 10's across the board on my panel the OIC grade would not get me selected.

Honestly the only designator I fall close to even qualifying for is 1825. For some reason he also told me to apply for Intel because of one of my certs and Master's Degree but when I spoke to the OIC who happened to be Intel he said "Yeah none of that relates to what we do." Hopefully I can bump my OIC grade up quite a bit from a 6 because I seem to do fine on the panels as they all liked me. The IP Officer had nothing but praise and said I had multiple things they are looking for in the community.
You should look at 1885 as well.
 

Kahtick

New Member
You should look at 1885 as well.
Thought about. Even though I have Master's in Cybersecurity and a Security plus all my experience has been on UNIX and LINUX Systems as System Admin and Middleware Support. Have never actually worked in Cyber although I do have a database security tool that I manage.
 

jamal1825

Well-Known Member
Thought about. Even though I have Master's in Cybersecurity and a Security plus all my experience has been on UNIX and LINUX Systems as System Admin and Middleware Support. Have never actually worked in Cyber although I do have a database security tool that I manage.
Does the database security tool you manage provide protection and data monitoring? If so, that falls under cybersecurity, specifically the defensive (blue) team. While it's valuable to have experience in that area, the primary focus should be on effectively managing and leading a well-run department or unit. It never hurts to try—let them determine whether you're qualified rather than assuming you’re not.
 

Kahtick

New Member
Does the database security tool you manage provide protection and data monitoring? If so, that falls under cybersecurity, specifically the defensive (blue) team. While it's valuable to have experience in that area, the primary focus should be on effectively managing and leading a well-run department or unit. It never hurts to try—let them determine whether you're qualified rather than assuming you’re not.
Yeah it's a really robust product called IBM Security Guardium.
 

jamal1825

Well-Known Member
Yeah it's a really robust product called IBM Security Guardium.
Yeah, that tool focuses heavily on defensive measures, including vulnerability scanning and configuring the OS or servers in accordance with the NIST or other regulations your company may follows. With that being said, be sure to research other designators and don’t sell yourself short.
 

Kahtick

New Member
Yeah, that tool focuses heavily on defensive measures, including vulnerability scanning and configuring the OS or servers in accordance with the NIST or other regulations your company may follows. With that being said, be sure to research other designators and don’t sell yourself short.
Thanks. Appreciate it.
 

surf3001x

Fully Qualified
Thanks for the insight. IP seems to be ultra competitive. I have certs, leadership, a Master's Degree in Cybersecurity, over 20 years experience in IT including supervisory roles, and plus 20 years in the Navy with the last few of those being in LPO roles for multiple units. The last time I did my OIC Board I did not know all the Information Warfare Designators so he graded me a 6. My recruiter told me not to submit this time because even though I got 10's across the board on my panel the OIC grade would not get me selected.

Honestly the only designator I fall close to even qualifying for is 1825. For some reason he also told me to apply for Intel because of one of my certs and Master's Degree but when I spoke to the OIC who happened to be Intel he said "Yeah none of that relates to what we do." Hopefully I can bump my OIC grade up quite a bit from a 6 because I seem to do fine on the panels as they all liked me. The IP Officer had nothing but praise and said I had multiple things they are looking for in the community.
Everything I'm going to say, is my humble opinion and in no way represents the 1825 community or RESFOR as a whole.

Grading you a six because you didn't know all of the IWC Designators sounds suspicious. It's hard for me to believe this would happen unless in your interview you spoke a bit too highly to your vast experience and when challenged failed to deliver.

During my interviews I openly admitted that I read the PA's and overviews, but I had no tacit knowledge outside of "these jobs exist" and I was lauded for being upfront and honest. How would you know? You're not even selected yet. Knowing all the designators is the point of IWO down the road.

For those of you going 3+ times:

"We" don't want someone coming into the community who knows it all (or better yet thinks they do). We want accessions that have the strong technical foundation and are confident in their ability to lead. This allows us to get you quickly spun up on specifics to lead that assured C2 mission with the limited time we have with you part-time.

Priors are great because we don't have to invest as much time in Sailorization.

I'd really look at your motivational statements. Are you speaking to your leadership? What do you want to DO when in uniform? If the answer isn't a resounding "I want to lead", that's a red flag. There's a reason CISSP is valued, but SEC+ and others aren't. CISSP is a mile wide, inch deep, and intended for top level leadership.

Remember, your job isn't going to be to configure CANES or setting up an HF shot. It's ensuring your work center can, and when you run into problems you can source the way to remediate and provide the succinct explanation up the chain.

Additionally nothing quite turns me off more than someone who's next question is "CAN I COME ONBOARD AS A LTJG OR LT?". What so you can get hammered and not know a darn thing? I think its a total disservice to bring folks on higher than ENS.

I've watched countless LTJGs and LTs get hammered and wash out. I'd also avoid asking if you can waiver IPBC or other training requirements. The answer should be NO. If you can't commit to the training pipeline, that's an easy pro-rec no from me. Navy school houses are much more than basic curriculum.
 
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Kahtick

New Member
Everything I'm going to say, is my humble opinion and in no way represents the 1825 community or RESFOR as a whole.

Grading you a six because you didn't know all of the IWC Designators sounds suspicious. It's hard for me to believe this would happen unless in your interview you spoke a bit too highly to your vast experience and when challenged failed to deliver.

During my interviews I openly admitted that I read the PA's and overviews, but I had no tacit knowledge outside of "these jobs exist" and I was lauded for being upfront and honest. How would you know? You're not even selected yet. Knowing all the designators is the point of IWO down the road.

For those of you going 3+ times:

"We" don't want someone coming into the community who knows it all (or better yet thinks they do). We want accessions that have the strong technical foundation and are confident in their ability to lead. This allows us to get you quickly spun up on specifics to lead that assured C2 mission with the limited time we have with you part-time.

Priors are great because we don't have to invest as much time in Sailorization.

I'd really look at your motivational statements. Are you speaking to your leadership? What do you want to DO when in uniform? If the answer isn't a resounding "I want to lead", that's a red flag. There's a reason CISSP is valued, but SEC+ and others aren't. CISSP is a mile wide, inch deep, and intended for top level leadership.

Remember, your job isn't going to be to configure CANES or setting up an HF shot. It's ensuring your work center can, and when you run into problems you can source the way to remediate and provide the succinct explanation up the chain.

Additionally nothing quite turns me off more than someone who's next question is "CAN I COME ONBOARD AS A LTJG OR LT?". What so you can get hammered and not know a darn thing? I think its a total disservice to bring folks on higher than ENS.

I've watched countless LTJGs and LTs get hammered and wash out. I'd also avoid asking if you can waiver IPBC or other training requirements. The answer should be NO. If you can't commit to the training pipeline, that's an easy pro-rec no from me. Navy school houses are much more than basic curriculum.
Appreciate it. Thanks for the insight.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

Making Recruiting Great Again
Thanks for the insight. IP seems to be ultra competitive. I have certs, leadership, a Master's Degree in Cybersecurity, over 20 years experience in IT including supervisory roles, and plus 20 years in the Navy with the last few of those being in LPO roles for multiple units. The last time I did my OIC Board I did not know all the Information Warfare Designators so he graded me a 6. My recruiter told me not to submit this time because even though I got 10's across the board on my panel the OIC grade would not get me selected.

Honestly the only designator I fall close to even qualifying for is 1825. For some reason he also told me to apply for Intel because of one of my certs and Master's Degree but when I spoke to the OIC who happened to be Intel he said "Yeah none of that relates to what we do." Hopefully I can bump my OIC grade up quite a bit from a 6 because I seem to do fine on the panels as they all liked me. The IP Officer had nothing but praise and said I had multiple things they are looking for in the community.

You touched on something that wasn't discussed before... your age/TIS. Assuming you have 20+ years of military service, that can be a red flag for some communities since the ROI is much lower than someone much "junior". You can essentially retire as a commissioned officer as early as 8 years of commissioned service.

Having personally sat in on boards, the applicant needs to have incredibly desirable skillsets for the community to take that risk to community health.
 
You touched on something that wasn't discussed before... your age/TIS. Assuming you have 20+ years of military service, that can be a red flag for some communities since the ROI is much lower than someone much "junior". You can essentially retire as a commissioned officer as early as 8 years of commissioned service.

Having personally sat in on boards, the applicant needs to have incredibly desirable skillsets for the community to take that risk to community health.
Given your exposure to the boards, what TIS do you believe that starts to be negatively viewed at?
 
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