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01JUN26 SNA/SNFO board

FormerRecruitingGuru said:
On another note, you seem to be struggling with the difference between candid, direct feedback and being rude and dismissive, so let’s clear that up with examples, especially the "Use the search function" argument you can't seem to let go:
  • Candid/Direct Feedback: "The information you are looking for is readily available via the search function."
  • Rude and Dismissive: "Hey idiot, why can't you use the search function, dumbass?"
There is a significant difference between facilitating a member to find their answer and being "disrespectful." If I were actually "rude and dismissive" by forum standards, I would have been banned years ago.
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Candid/direct and rude/dismissive are subjective terms. You could easily be more helpful by providing a given thread, or even just not responding.

Keep on responding the way you have been, and let me know how others view those responses. I’m extremely thankful you weren’t my recruiter, because your helpfulness is inversely proportional to your arrogance.
 
aagmanrelan said:
I just got a call from my recruiter that the OCM told him that they will not accept my package because I am actively in a part time MS program. I wrote them a letter saying I will drop out if selected, but that is not enough for them.
I don't want to drop only to not get selected.
I can take a LOA for the next semester but today is the last day and it is 4 PM


Edit: My Recruiter told me he will submit with the LOA plan, but we will find out tomorrow I guess if this works out

Can the OCM do that? Anyone have seen this before?
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Hello
I know you have a discussion going on. Can you guys help me real quick with this
 
MowinThaAir said:
I didn’t move any goalposts. I asked for advice/insight because there was an area I wasn’t familiar with due to the form I signed not acknowledging future tattoos. If there was a newer form, you could have provided it in the first place, to back up your blanket claim of “no.”

It’s not my fault you couldn’t provide the reasoning behind your claim to begin with, that’s on you. The 1130/104 I signed says nothing about tattoos between the time of signing and training, hence my question of it being open to amending. If someone isn’t allowed to do something, they’re allowed to ask why that is.

Nobody’s asking you to be their friend, simply be a resource instead of a critic. You’re a former recruiter, you should know that leading others doesn’t mean belittling them for asking a question.

And to your “read the room” comment: I strongly encourage you to do the same. One other person on this forum telling me to roll with it is nowhere near the amount of people who have told you to watch your tone. Lead by example.
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MowinThaAir said:
Candid/direct and rude/submissive are subjective terms. You could easily be more helpful by providing a given thread, or even just not responding.

Keep on responding the way you have been, and let me know how others view those responses. I’m extremely thankful you weren’t my recruiter, because your helpfulness is inversely proportional to your arrogance.
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Look, if you’re looking for a loophole in the wording of a specific form to justify ignoring the Navy Recruiting Manual, you’re already starting off on the wrong foot. The RECRUITMAN isn't a suggestion, it is the regulation that governs your entry into the service. Any change to your physical appearance after you have been processed is an issue that can stop your commissioning path dead in its tracks. Relying on "it wasn't on the page I signed" or "I didn't know" is exactly how applicants can get disqualified for failing to follow the intent of the policy.

As for the arrogance claim, let's be clear. I have the utmost respect for anyone raising their hand to join, whether that is a high schooler enlisting, someone heading to OCS to fly, or a professional bringing specialized skills to military healthcare. My "arrogance" is actually a refusal to watch someone throw away that opportunity over something as avoidable as a tattoo. I am telling you "no" because I have seen people with your exact mindset throw away their future in the Navy because they thought they knew better than the instructions.

Regarding your take on leadership and reading the room: Direct feedback is not an attack, it is a requirement. If being told to use a search function feels like being belittled, you are prioritizing your own ego over the mission. If a junior officer can't be bothered to look up a basic instruction or use resources before asking a superior for the answer, they aren't just asking a question. They are showing a lack of preparation. Leading by example means upholding the standard even when it is unpopular. My example is providing accurate and regulation based answers that protect your career, regardless of whether you find the delivery pleasant. If you cannot handle a blunt correction on a forum, OCS is going to be a very rude awakening for you. Training is designed to stress you and test your ability to follow instructions to the letter without getting defensive when the delivery isn't "constructive." In a high stakes environment, there is zero room for an officer candidate (or commissioned officer in designator-specific training) who prioritizes their feelings over the safety and regulatory standards.

You are about to risk a commissioning path and potentially a multi million dollar flight seat for some ink because you don’t like the way you were told to wait. You say you're extremely thankful I'm not your recruiter, I would counter and say I am extremely thankful my applicants who made it through knew what was right or wrong... unlike you.

You have the answer, you have the reference, and you have the warning. What you do with your career from here is on you.
 
aagmanrelan said:
Hello
I know you have a discussion going on. Can you guys help me real quick with this
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How much do you have left in your MS? I’d just finish it and apply..? I didn’t even know they let you submit while concurrently enrolled in a degree program lol. But yeah, echoing the sentiment by Bailey, I don’t think they’re gonna let you do OCS and a degree simultaneously
 
szalona said:
How much do you have left in your MS? I’d just finish it and apply..? I didn’t even know they let you submit while concurrently enrolled in a degree program lol. But yeah, echoing the sentiment by Bailey, I don’t think they’re gonna let you do OCS and a degree simultaneously
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I fully intend to drop out if selected. I have attached a letter with my package stating exactly that. I am doing it part time( 1 class per semester plus summer). I have 7 classes remaining, it will take until December 2027 to finish all that.
 
FormerRecruitingGuru said:
Look, if you’re looking for a loophole in the wording of a specific form to justify ignoring the Navy Recruiting Manual, you’re already starting off on the wrong foot. The RECRUITMAN isn't a suggestion, it is the regulation that governs your entry into the service. Any change to your physical appearance after you have been processed is an issue that can stop your commissioning path dead in its tracks. Relying on "it wasn't on the page I signed" or "I didn't know" is exactly how applicants can get disqualified for failing to follow the intent of the policy.

As for the arrogance claim, let's be clear. I have the utmost respect for anyone raising their hand to join, whether that is a high schooler enlisting, someone heading to OCS to fly, or a professional bringing specialized skills to military healthcare. My "arrogance" is actually a refusal to watch someone throw away that opportunity over something as avoidable as a tattoo. I am telling you "no" because I have seen people with your exact mindset throw away their future in the Navy because they thought they knew better than the instructions.

Regarding your take on leadership and reading the room: Direct feedback is not an attack, it is a requirement. If being told to use a search function feels like being belittled, you are prioritizing your own ego over the mission. If a junior officer can't be bothered to look up a basic instruction or use resources before asking a superior for the answer, they aren't just asking a question. They are showing a lack of preparation. Leading by example means upholding the standard even when it is unpopular. My example is providing accurate and regulation based answers that protect your career, regardless of whether you find the delivery pleasant. If you cannot handle a blunt correction on a forum, OCS is going to be a very rude awakening for you. Training is designed to stress you and test your ability to follow instructions to the letter without getting defensive when the delivery isn't "constructive." In a high stakes environment, there is zero room for an officer candidate (or commissioned officer in designator-specific training) who prioritizes their feelings over the safety and regulatory standards.

You are about to risk a commissioning path and potentially a multi million dollar flight seat for some ink because you don’t like the way you were told to wait. You say you're extremely thankful I'm not your recruiter, I would counter and say I am extremely thankful my applicants who made it through knew what was right or wrong... unlike you.

You have the answer, you have the reference, and you have the warning. What you do with your career from here is on you.
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Quit putting words in my mouth. I asked a simple question, because the information I had AND the forms I filled out did not provide an answer to my question. Not once did I say or do something that gives you reason to claim I am looking for a loophole.

If the answer is no, and there is a verifiable reason as to why said answer is no, then you could have provided the reason in the first place. Simply stating “no” without reference is grounds for a follow-up question as to why the answer is no.

I never claimed to know better than instructions. No instructions were given to me regarding FUTURE tattoos. And your arrogance goes beyond my tattoo question. You constantly belittle others on this site/reddit; not all questions equal a lack of preparedness.

Finally, don’t make assumptions about my background or about myself as an applicant. You know almost nothing about either. My question could have been answered in one response with one reference, yet you decided to patronize me as you have constantly done to others.
 
MowinThaAir said:
Quit putting words in my mouth. I asked a simple question, because the information I had AND the forms I filled out did not provide an answer to my question. Not once did I say or do something that give you reason to claim I am looking for a loophole.

If the answer is no, and there is a verifiable reason as to why said answer is no, then you could have provided the reason in the first place. Simply stating “no” without reference is grounds for a follow-up question as to why the answer is no.

I never claimed to know better than instructions. No instructions were given to me regarding FUTURE tattoos. And your arrogance goes beyond my tattoo question. You constantly belittle others on this site/reddit; not all questions equal a lack of preparedness.

Finally, don’t make assumptions about my background or about myself as an applicant. You know almost nothing about either. My question could have been answered in one response with one reference, yet you decided to patronize me as you have constantly done to others.
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This is just beating a dead horse. Leave it be for everyone's sanity
 
MowinThaAir said:
Fair enough, I’m about to head out to enjoy my weekend anyways. But someone had to speak up about his constant entitlement. He comes on here for the thrill of putting down others on a daily basis.
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No you were just being a child. Act your age. Recruiters are meant to be cut and dry so that there isn't no confusion. That's all there is to it. Sure he may come off a little brash but there's no reason to get your britches in a twist over it
 
aagmanrelan said:
Today is the deadline for the board and my recruiter decided to call me about this today only
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This is so foul haha I’m sorry dude

Did your recruiter about next steps forward? I’d ask them about what to do next because I’ve read that MSc students go to ODS, not OCS, so maybe that’s why there’s the issue? Dunno. I’d maybe try to pause the degree if you can? If some sort of hiatus system exists within your educational institution
 
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