All things MV-22 Osprey

[AircraftGeek513]

I don't think you appreciate how broke everyone is. Assuming 10 aircraft in a squadron, that's $10K! Per squadron. That's at least $50K-$70K in a Wing. That's a lot of money.


Any conversation that involves money and the Reserves is a different conversation. They have a significantly different funding set to get all the toys. Hell, at one point we had an OpsO just randomly decide to buy an IZLID. We had no way to use it, but he bought it.


A noble mission, no doubt, but again, the money has to come from somewhere.



Sounds like they need to put pressure on their leaders to get them the best tools possible. That's all there is to it, right?

I do get your points. There's a similar battle with management at my company about how we still can't use Foreflight legally for weather, and it sounds like the battle has been lost, which is ridiculous. But that doesn't change the reality.

I'm picturing an IZLID showing up and someone being like "WTF is this!?"

 

[hscs]

Any conversation that involves money and the Reserves is a different conversation. They have a significantly different funding set to get all the toys. Hell, at one point we had an OpsO just randomly decide to buy an IZLID. We had no way to use it, but he bought it.

Not different funding - just how it is allocated and authorities to move within OPTAR.

 

[Gatordev]

Not different funding - just how it is allocated and authorities to move within OPTAR.

Fair enough, and probably a more accurate statement. It just seemed like we had more pots to pull from, but I guess that's kind of the same thing.

And then there's NGREA...and obviously that's not an every day thing, but maybe a better example.

 

[kmac]

Last I heard from AFFSA - there was budget for every military aviator in DoD to have Foreflight MFB subscription to include global Jepp in addition to NGA FLIP.

There is something not right if you are using something else. Navy VR and USAF commercial derivative aircraft (C-40, C-37, etc) are using Jepp FD Pro like their Part 121 counterparts....

Even the JOGs , TPCs, ONCs, and Range charts on MFB are outstanding.

No. AF has a Safety of Navigation contract with Jepp that the Navy buys-into. That's it. Individual Army units may purchase the military flight bag, but there is not an Army-wide contract. This may all change though as there is a OSD level Directive Type Memorandum that pretty much spells out that commercial providers are to be used only when there isn't a USG option. Then there is the issue of data... which aircraft is using Jepp data, which are using DAFIF, etc.

I spent the last 2 days talking with the Air Force, Navy, and Army representatives related to issues such as this. The Services have resource issues just like everyone else, so there is always a back and forth on how many foreign procedures the Services can outright assume to be safe, review for safety, and/or publish in FLIP. That's where E-IPL comes in too, but I don't want to thread jack this any more.