Not to sea lawyer it, but it only said Nomex wasn't authorized off base. Ergo, leather or some of those Gucci fleet issued items like fleece or Goretex are.
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Another nail in the coffin of Old-School Naval Avaition..
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Not to sea lawyer it, but it only said Nomex wasn't authorized off base. Ergo, leather or some of those Gucci fleet issued items like fleece or Goretex are.
Roger.
A Gore-Tex fits under your torso harness, and I'll take all the help I can get if I have to punch over the Cascades in winter time.Spoken like a true helo dude
A Gore-Tex fits under your torso harness, and I'll take all the help I can get if I have to punch over the Cascades in winter time.
I've seen some of both among tacair, but I have yet to see the PR shop that orders any. My words are rooted in jealousy, not hating
It was unofficially condoned by many commands in DC including the Joint Staff (the folks in 'joint' commands were able to get away with it a lot easier) until a SWO Director of Navy Staff put a stop to it in 2008 or so. There are still a few that may wear their bags but it is rare. I wonder if that changes with this new rule though, a lot of folks wear aquaflage to work in DC (not sure about the Pentagon), they may put out more restrictive regs for DC as they have in the past.
You have to know how to read these messages. Under the sub paragraph "manner of wear," it's telling you what is authorized as "outerwear" (brown leather jacket). It then specifies the more restrictive situations when Nomex is and is not authorized. Make sense?
Man, I'm with you. I was hoping that during the CONA year, they might have allowed AWGs "with ribbons" (as in the VERY old days...) as a sort of beta-test. But, they didn't, and I frankly think AWGs have been relegated to the dust bin of Naval Aviation history. Hard to imagine that any future CNO would have it on his list of "things to do" to bring back an aviation-only uniform, no matter how classy it was.
OBTW...because I don't think I ever said it before...MasterBates tried to do it the right way...penned a very well-researched and clearly articulated point paper/request "From the Fleet" on the whole AWGs thing. Got it routed, and supported, up to a pretty high step on the chain of command. Nice work, MB! Sorry it didn't pan out as you intended, but you fought a damned good fight. I, for one, wish you were still in uniform. If only so that "the system" could continue to kick you in the balls.
I'm putting my money on the "MB for SECNAV" line...
Bought my first set of Greens with a "dead horse" in '60, but never saw any worn with ribbons, just wings. We did have a dentist on the Number Ten boat that wore them. He had to have the sleeve insignia made at the Diamond patch co in Yoko though.
Sounds to me like we need to get our hands on some tan nomex jackets...
A funny story from the old days regarding wearing flight jackets off-base: Wearing the jackets was verboten; so much so that at one time in the late 70's at Cecil Field, a separate jacket spotting gate guard was stationed at the front gate whose sole purpose was to catch perpetrators in the act of trying to sneak through wearing their jackets on cold mornings. Driving down 103rd Street in the morning, approaching the gate, it was common to see cars weaving back and forth as pilots were removing their jackets as they drove. One morning there appeared alongside the road, about a quarter mile from the front gate, a professionally painted and constructed sign about the size of a 4x8 sheet of plywood that read, "CAUTION: FLIGHT JACKET REMOVAL AREA". Sadly, it lasted less than a day....and no one ever found out who was responsible for erecting it. But it was classic.
I stumbled into one at a squadron sponsored aviator Christmas. It seems an SKC had been stockpiling and the Wing was on the hunt for PreX of any kind. Funny how everyone magically was able to find enough flightsuits, etc. Of course, my rare find was a small pile of Summer Weight Tan Nomex.
I think I may be able to get my hands on one. I have some time though...at least fifty days before I can start sticking it to the man?