CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

[FrankTheTank]

And yet he had a senior leader in the Navy tell him he was only where he was because of affirmative action.

I remember your comments many years ago regarding spouses and married service members. So the Navy must be bias against those that are married because of your logic. Or have your views about women suddenly changed? Or is it systemically misogynistic based on Brett?

 

[DanMa1156]

Tell me the functional difference between explicit racist structures and implicit racist structures.

You're right: functionally, not different. However, my point was, I doubt they were crafted with racist intentions, although I concede it's possible; it's not an unreasonable thought 20-30 years ago to say "let's make tougher punishments for drugs to disincentivize use and distribution." We have since learned of what the outcomes are and I am glad we fixed them going forward. I support what President Obama (and maybe Trump, I cant recall?) were doing with commuting the sentences of non-violent drug convictions that would be different under today's laws, although it probably needs to be done on a larger scale.

Perhaps a better way to say what I'm trying to say is: "when crafted, did they know the outcome would lead to such an unequal racial divide?" To that, I would say, I doubt it. Perhaps there were some policy wonks out there who saw it coming.

 

[Jim123]

Perhaps a better way to say what I'm trying to say is: "when crafted, did they know the outcome would lead to such an unequal racial divide?" To that, I would say, I doubt it. Perhaps there were some policy wonks out there who saw it coming.

What if the intent, when crafted, was the other way? There's a new wonder drug hitting the streets and it's probably going to hit blighted areas harder than affluent ones. Instead of doing nothing and letting it destroy communities, what about harsher sentences?

(Of course, your philosophy on crime and punishment and drugs might be that prohibition is a fool's errand, and the money and effort better spent on other anti-drug strategies.)

 

[squorch2]

Disparate impact - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[robav8r]

On the other hand, as I've already stated, I think the present-day Republicans crafting laws to make it tougher for blacks and other minorities to vote know exactly what they are doing and are doing so specifically to limit how many of them turn out.

Uh . . . . . . no, not even close.

And, in other voting rights news . . . . .

 

[robav8r]

Perhaps read it before hating it just because of the organizations.

what’s wrong with the United Nations?

the Paper has sources

Probably nothing, they're just like the W.H.O. - pinnacles of transparent integrity.

 

[nodropinufaka]

I remember your comments many years ago regarding spouses and married service members. So the Navy must be bias against those that are married because of your logic. Or have your views about women suddenly changed? Or is it systemically misogynistic based on Brett?

Well to be fair the system in the Navy favors individuals who have spouses who either stay at home or don’t have careers.

If you can’t PCS cause your spouse is also military or she is a doctor or something your career is going to take way more of hit then someone who can PCS.

 

[Jim123]

Spouses and doctors are sometimes a he.

(fighting institutional sexism one pronoun at a time...)

 

[nodropinufaka]

I think that what you're missing is that your anecdote serves as a counter-point to everything you are trying to claim about systemic racism in the 21st century.

No one is denying that there are people alive today who had to deal with real, actual systemic racism. However, those policies were lifted in the 1960s and through the 1970s-1980s, equality became a thing guaranteed by law and actually enforced.

Your anecdote serves as evidence that those public policy changes were successful. Free from the shackles of institutional racism, you were able to become more successful than previous generations could ever imagine. You had to work hard because your parents were broke to make a better life...that's like, the American dream since it was a British colony.

Despite this, you claim that's not good enough and there continue to be systemic barriers to black people's success. That's where you lose everyone. What did you do that was so special that is nearly impossible for the rest of black Americans to do without a change in public policy?

Re: crime laws

The crack wave and inner city crime waves of the late 80s / early 90s is still studied by PhDs, and there's no consensus on why they occurred and why they got better. To distill it down to 'tough drug and crime laws are racist' is a lazy, and ultimately a racist argument in itself with little evidence to support it.

But I’m not distilling it down to that.

I’m saying that the crack wave that hit inner cities was a policy that disproportionately affected minorities with low income.

Whether intentional or not it ended up being a racist policy.

They’re are kids right now with parents locked up due to this policy. That will most definitely affect their chances at life.

That is what systemic racism is.

Do they have opportunity to rise above? Sure. But policy in the government also gave them a worst hand.

If the policy is racist and wasn’t intended it’s still racist IMO.

 

[robav8r]

Well to be fair the system in the Navy favors individuals who have spouses who either stay at home or don’t have careers.

If you can’t PCS cause your spouse is also military or she is a doctor or something your career is going to take way more of hit then someone who can PCS.

No. The system in the Navy favors making Sailors, manning ships and squadrons and fighting wars at sea. Or, something like that ?

 

[nodropinufaka]

Spouses and doctors are sometimes a he.

(fighting institutional sexism one pronoun at a time...)

Actually a very good point.

Which is why there are so few females in senior leadership.

Females in the military are much more likely to be married to other military members or members without stay at home spouses

 

[robav8r]

Actually a very good point.

Which is why there are so few females in senior leadership.

Females in the military are much more likely to be married to other military members or members without stay at home spouses

No.

 

[nodropinufaka]

No.

What you mean?

 

[nodropinufaka]

No.

GAO: Women 28 Percent More Likely to Leave Military Service than Men - USNI News

Family planning, child care, sexism and sexual assault were among the top reasons female service members are more likely than men to leave the military.

news.usni.org

The report lists several reasons as contributing to why women leave the service earlier in their careers. Women from all branches stated family concerns were a top reason to leave early in their careers. For the Navy, the report states the rigidity and timing of some job requirements do not match up well with starting a family.
“Naval surface warfare tours—often occur at the time in a female active-duty servicemember’s life when she may try to become pregnant or have young children,” the report states.

Repeatedly, females leaving the service stated there were few senior female enlisted and officer personnel to serve as mentors.
With fewer females in leadership roles, the report states women frequently stated the military was led by men who were not supportive of or understand family needs. The military was an organization where “they often faced sexism and the existence of an ‘old boy’s network,’ especially in career fields dominated by males.”

 

[nodropinufaka]

Probably nothing, they're just like the W.H.O. - pinnacles of transparent integrity.

Have you ever worked in International law/policy or with either the UN or WHO?