CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

[nodropinufaka]

A) don't be driving around with illegal drugs in your car.
B) Joe Biden wrote the 1994 crime bill that is the closest thing to "systemic racism" in modern America and established a lot of the unfair sentencing for such arrests so it's not like the left is any friend of Black America.

If you scroll back a few pages I said as much and that the left doesn't seem intent on helping them either. Just capturing votes.

 

[HAL Pilot]

Racist? (turn your sound on...)

 

[nodropinufaka]

Racist? (turn your sound on...)

Maybe? Maybe not.

But we can agree that was fucking hilarious.

 

[Spekkio]

The report lists several reasons as contributing to why women leave the service earlier in their careers. Women from all branches stated family concerns were a top reason to leave early in their careers. For the Navy, the report states the rigidity and timing of some job requirements do not match up well with starting a family...

Another thing where you jump to the conclusion where "problem exists, ipso facto it must be oppression" - except this time its sexism by men.

One of the things I've always thought was silly about the Navy is the inability for such a large organization to guarantee people a long period of time (like, 7-10 years) at a single duty station, rotating from sea to shore at a single location. The amount of money that it costs to move servicemembers around every 3-5 years is staggering, it makes home ownership for career sailors and officers (a big component of most people's wealth) very difficult, and destroys many opportunities for spouses to have careers. With children, another layer is added with regards to consistent education, child care, and friendships.

Women are less likely to put up with it all because they have a higher priority on work / family balance, but that does not mean that the military is sexist. It does mean that they are highlighting long standing issues that have affected servicemembers of all races and genders.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Another thing where you jump to the conclusion where "problem exists, ipso facto it must be oppression" - except this time its sexism by men.

One of the things I've always thought was silly about the Navy is the inability for such a large organization to guarantee people a long period of time (like, 7-10 years) at a single duty station, rotating from sea to shore at a single location. The amount of money that it costs to move servicemembers around every 3-5 years is staggering, it makes home ownership for career sailors and officers (a big component of most people's wealth) very difficult, and destroys many opportunities for spouses to have careers. With children, another layer is added with regards to consistent education, child care, and friendships.

Women are less likely to put up with it all because they have a higher priority on work / family balance, but that does not mean that the military is sexist. It does mean that they are highlighting long standing issues that have affected servicemembers of all races and genders.

Can you point out where exactly I wrote its sexism by men? Or said that the military is a sexist organization?

 

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I don't know if a specific statistic for that case (e.g. unrelated infraction leads to drug arrest) but I'll take a look. However, Whren vs United States made it pretty clear that police can pull over drivers for virtually anything and then springboard from there to drug arrests.

A little clarification is in order. The case you cite very specifically says it has to be a traffic violation. That is a far cry from "just about anything". The police need some sort of traffic violation giving them a reason to pull someone over. It's called a peremptory [edit, pretextual} stop. But then you don't "springboard" to a drug charge. They need something more than a burned-out taillight to search your car. They can look into the car. They can't go into it and search without other probable cause.

 

[Mirage]

Can you point out where exactly I wrote its sexism by men? Or said that the military is a sexist organization?

The military was an organization where “they often faced sexism and the existence of an ‘old boy’s network,’ especially in career fields dominated by males.”

Found it for you. There, where you cherry picked this quote from the report, clearly endorsing it.

 

[nodropinufaka]

A little clarification is in order. The case you cite very specifically says it has to be a traffic violation. That is a far cry from "just about anything". The police need some sort of traffic violation giving them a reason to pull someone over. It's called a peremptory stop. But then you don't "springboard" to a drug charge. They need something more than a burned-out taillight to search your car. They can look into the car. They can't go into it and search without other probable cause.

Is there a difference between that and a Pretextual stop?

I used to work for the DEA/HSI prior to moving to Humanitarian Work.

Some of the fed leos I worked with loved to try to get people with pretextual stops and quite a bit of cases ended up getting thrown out by judges because it came out after that the stop was planned for a search.

People trying to board boats under safety at sea searches knowing it was a drug boat and then finding the drugs. But didnt have enough evidence to obtain a warrant to search.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Found it for you. There, where you cherry picked this quote from the report, clearly endorsing it.

How it that me saying that the Navy is a sexist organization? It clearly says right there that some females in the org faced sexism.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Can you point out where exactly I wrote its sexism by men? Or said that the military is a sexist organization?

I think the problem is the idea that a lack of women in high ranking positions is a problem at all.

 

[nodropinufaka]

I think the problem is the idea that a lack of women in high ranking positions is a problem at all.

I don't know if problem would be the way I would describe it but I can see value in women being in high ranking positions.

Especially when you get to the Staff officer and security cooperation levels within CCMDs.

You need people for BPC missions and not having females in those roles could be detrimental.


Further a JCS and ICS relies on diversity. If you think it doesn't, I can say with certainty it 100 percent does.

 

[Mirage]

Can you point out where exactly I wrote its sexism by men?

This is the portion I was replying to.

What do you think is more likely... A female will get a promotion/billet over a male with equal quals, or vice versa?

Same question with minorities?

Once someone is in the Navy, do you think the system favors the careers of white males over...anyone else? Or, perhaps, do you think it favors everyone else over white males?


I'll also add, there's nothing wrong with it (at least in many peoples view) if you do think white males currently get the short end of the stick. That's been codified into law in things such as affirmative action. Because it was the opposite for a long time and, as you've said, that wasn't fair.

But that sort of challenges your idea that if a law discriminates against a race then it's racist. Or perhaps institutionalizing anti-White racism is just acceptable to you and others because of the past.

 

[nodropinufaka]

This is the portion I was replying to.

What do you think is more likely... A female will get a promotion/billet over a male with equal quals, or vice versa?

Same question with minorities?

Once someone is in the Navy, do you think the system favors the careers of white males over...anyone else? Or, perhaps, do you think it favors everyone else over white males?

I think the system favors individuals who have spouses that can geographically relocate every 3 years into different types of duties. That result is often men.

That is a true statement backed by data.

 

[Mirage]

I think the system favors individuals who have spouses that can geographically relocate every 3 years into different types of duties. That result is often men.

That is a true statement backed by data.

Soooo... Would you like to answer my questions as well?

 

[nodropinufaka]

Soooo... Would you like to answer my questions as well?

Sure.

I think the military needs a diverse workforce.

Without women or minorities the DOD will struggle in security cooperation missions and OAIs across COCOMS.

Do I think major command should be given to a minority of female simply because of gender or race? Of course not. When you’re in charge of people’s lives that isn’t the time for it.

Do I think that promotions needs to ensure that they’re is diversity when promoting? Absolutely. See point one.

The US Supreme Court upheld affirmative action in Grutter v Bollinger and as long as race is not the only issue considered it doesn’t violate the 14th amendment.

so I am unsure how there is a war on white males or anything like that within the Navy. Diversity should be taken into consideration but not the only consideration and that’s what the navy does