CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

[nodropinufaka]

Why would we struggle without women or minorities?

A month or so ago you were arguing that China was gaining influence in the Pacific because of climate change. Somehow they were doing that despite being the largest emitter in the world and growing without any firm plans to slow down. And in spite of being incredibly non-diverse. How can that be?

I take it you have never worked security cooperation missions at CCMD level?

You absolutely need women and minorities for that.

Did you know OSD just spent a huge chunk of money on Women, Peace, and Security in order to address Gender Disparity in all the COCOMS and it is being integrated into planning?

How would you have a representative that isn’t a Woman?

The military is much larger then just maneuver warfare.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Unbelievable.

So if a college admissions board was able to count a point against you because of your skin color, you wouldn't see any problem with that? Or is it just ok because it's against white people and you aren't white?

what’s wrong with taking the whole person approach?

 

[Treetop Flyer]

I take it you have never worked security cooperation missions at CCMD level?

You absolutely need women and minorities for that.

Did you know OSD just spent a huge chunk of money on Women, Peace, and Security in order to address Gender Disparity in all the COCOMS and it is being integrated into planning?

How would you have a representative that isn’t a Woman?

The military is much larger then just maneuver warfare.

You didn’t answer the question, as usual. Try again.

 

[nodropinufaka]

You didn’t answer the question, as usual. Try again.

Read the second line of my reply.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Read the second line of my reply.

Re-read my post. Then read it again. Then answer the question.

 

[Mirage]

what’s wrong with taking the whole person approach?

The whole person approach? Is that code for awarding points based on skin color?

You didn't answer my question, either.

Would you feel like it was racist if the board awarded you negative points because of your skin color? If so, then why is it not racism to do this to white people (and Asians, to be fair)?

 

[nodropinufaka]

Re-read my post. Then read it again. Then answer the question.

Do you want us to become China? And Gain our influence by just throwing out ridiculous sums of money to countries regardless of Leahy vetting?

or do you want to be America and gain influence the right way through diplomacy?

We need females and minorities for those missions. There is no way around that. You’re not going into another country to try to gain their trust and talk to them about their female enrollment in IMET if you’re own country has a lower percentage.

what kind of message is that going to send?

 

[Treetop Flyer]

The whole person approach? Is that code for awarding points based on skin color?

You didn't answer my question, either.

Would you feel like it was racist if the board awarded you negative points because of your skin color? If so, then why is it not racism to do this to white people (and Asians, to be fair)?

Whole person approach, bro

 

[nodropinufaka]

The whole person approach? Is that code for awarding points based on skin color?

You didn't answer my question, either.

Would you feel like it was racist if the board awarded you negative points because of your skin color? If so, then why is it not racism to do this to white people (and Asians, to be fair)?

But they don’t give negative points if you’re white?

the whole person approach is exactly how it sounds.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Do you want us to become China? And Gain our influence by just throwing out ridiculous sums of money to countries regardless of Leahy vetting?

or do you want to be America and gain influence the right way through diplomacy?

We need females and minorities for those missions. There is no way around that. You’re not going into another country to try to gain their trust and talk to them about their female enrollment in IMET if you’re own country has a lower percentage.

what kind of message is that going to send?

You argued that we were losing the battle for influence. So it seems that diversity isn’t terribly important if China is kicking our ass without it. That was your own argument.

 

[Short]

Does OSD ghetto-ize women by linking them explicitly with peace and security? Does security cooperation suffer when we partner with countries that view women as ill-suited for work outside the home and place women in significant roles? Do citizens of partner countries view ethnic minority Americans more or less favorably than white Americans?

 

[nodropinufaka]

You argued that we were losing the battle for influence. So it seems that diversity isn’t terribly important if China is kicking our ass without it. That was your own argument.

we are.

and China is doing it by giving out money to anyone who will take it and working in any field they can find.

do you want the United States to take that approach and hand over money to countries with no Leahy Vetting? Or no 5 year plan? Or just give money and loans to municipal agencies?

we aren’t China and I can’t believe you’re insinuating that you’d want us to take that approach.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Does OSD ghetto-ize women by linking them explicitly with peace and security? Does security cooperation suffer when we partner with countries that view women as ill-suited for work outside the home and place women in significant roles? Do citizens of partner countries view ethnic minority Americans more or less favorably than white Americans?

diVeRsiTy iS oUr StrEngTh

 

[Treetop Flyer]

we are.

and China is doing it by giving out money to anyone who will take it and working in any field they can find.

do you want the United States to take that approach and hand over money to countries with no Leahy Vetting? Or no 5 year plan? Or just give money and loans to municipal agencies?

we aren’t China and I can’t believe you’re insinuating that you’d want us to take that approach.

I’m just incredulous that they’re doing something that CAN’T BE DONE without diversity.

Also, WTF is this about money? You were adamant that China was winning influence because of climate change. What changed?

 

[Short]

I have no idea what the answer is, but think we should consider whether we are mirroring our own assumed values in the presumptions as to what will resonate with partner nations.