Oh okay, the restricted ATP (750 for military, 1000 for aviation degrees) is still in the NPRM phase. That's where I got it mixed up. My mistake.
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Yup. I showed up to my fleet squadron with about 195 hours. Being an IP helped me bag a lot of time recently, since you take all the pilot time and let the upgrades split the rest and take all the screw time.
Since we're on the topic of military flight time, I'm wondering whether you get more flight time as an instructor or an adversary pilot during the shore tour. If I had to guess, I imagine you'd get more total time for the former but more PIC time for the latter, but does anyone know a bit more about that?
Those rates are old, the Airlinepilotcentral site that HAL has a link to is the most up to date.On the topic of moving for airline jobs: buddy of mine (P-3 NFO) just got out after his 6 years were up and he had no flight time except for the commercial ticket he paid for on his own nickel.
Hired by Cathay Pacific a week after submitting his a application online. They even paid to move him to Thailand.
I'm hoping he has a say in hiring there when I'm looking for work in about 13 years. . .
(Also, for those curious about pay differences in The Show: I've found this site to be an interesting reference over the years: http://www.aviationinterviews.com/pilot/airlinepayrates.html)
The new mins by next summer will be ATP for all 121 operators. That is 1500tt, 23 years old. As I posted before, military aviators with 1500 turbine FW pic will be gold when the hiring starts. The requirements for my company are 1st class med, meet ATP minimums, 1500TT, 1000 turbine pic. If you are a military aviator who meets those requirements and can walk into a room without stepping on your crank, you should be good to go.
I can't speak for the adversary part, but if you're doing an IP tour, you're going to get "more" A-time than someone who may be flying in a non-production tour. Why? Because you're flying with studs who can't sign for the aircraft. Now whether that A-time counts as PIC will depend on which Part you apply the time to, but for the sake of simplicity, yes, you'll have tons of PIC time.
My personal favorite is in the TRACOM (especially Primary)... because you get to log any and all approaches the students do in actual conditions as your own approaches, instrument mins were never really a problem for me in large part because of that.
RadicalDude
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Yeah but in hornet land the studs start signing for that shit on like the third flight. And there's only a handful of flights with a no-shit pilot in the rear. (A function of only having 2 FT configured birds) Vast majority of pairing is IP/RWSO and RP/IWSO. So I imagine you could log quite a few hours as an IP.
Obviously not a pilot, but at this point it's probably too early to say what kind of hours people will be seeing from an ops perspective. What I can say, based on the wtm, is that only a third of the minimum hours for the rolling 90 total can be from the oft.
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At my company, the (right kind of) total time gets you the bare minimum qualifications...read multi-engine PIC (or equivalent as determined by the company). Your application is scored with additional points for NATOPS IP, Evaluator, Standardization Pilot, Safety Officer (school not DH title), kind of flight time (heavy, fighter, astronaut vs other), etc. Reach the minimum desired score and you move to the next pile.
Each and every quality counts for something. While hours matter, it isn't everything.
Harrier Dude
Living the dream
I've got all of that, and the totals. Still waiting to hear from your airline. My sponsor doesn't know when hiring will start again.
On that note, my FE written is about to expire. Do I still need it?
You sign for it, it's FAR Part 1 PIC and that is the type airlines want. It's who's signing, not who's flying...
You say, "Yeah but..." but I'm not sure what your point is. IPs get hours. You seem to agree, no?
I was just trying to simplify it, especially after the other thread where this was discussed. That coupled with the "I didn't sign for it, but have FPT so it's PIC time" part of the discussion. I'm not arguing your point, just keeping it general.
A student/RP will never sign for a jet with an IP in the back. A WSO will never sign for the jet, so his student will always sign for the jet. I'm not sure what point you are making about IP's logging A/C time here.....just that IP's don't fly that much with RP's? Either way, there is going to be a solo IP lead in 98% of every studs syllabus flights, or a trunking IP in roughly 1/3 of each stud's syllabus. In each case, the IP is logging A/C time, and logging it all.
RadicalDude
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Shit, disregard. I misread the initial post.
Wow, even that seems like a ton. Last time I was in the sim, was a couple months back for a NATOPS check, and before that, it had been months. I've never heard of anyone using sim time towards the 30/60/90 day flight hours tracker. Then again, I was flying 3 times a week (if not twice a day some days) before we ever got to workups. So obviously there are some community differences there
But how will plopter PIC time fall in there? My eternal mystery.
BTW, if I could walk into a room and step on my crank, I'd be auditioning for pornos, not the airlines!