You two dipshits have been going in fucking circles for no reason but a lack of reasonable discourse. Bottom line: context matters. Let's recap.
We were already there until Delta + unvaccinated = summer shitstorm.
When we get rid of the purple people on this chart, when the ICUs are no longer overflowing and medical personnel aren't at their limit, with the virus percolating along endemically like the flu, we'll be fine. Five in the hospital, one old, likely immune compromised person in the ICU and ventilated, no one sitting in the ER waiting for a bed.
So first off, why not provide a link to the page that contained this graphic? We all know Frank is
shockingly bad at math and statistical interpretation no matter how much data is provided, but why provide an excuse?
Why include those non covid in your chart except to make it more scary.. Talk about misinformation. I stand by my point; It’s too political at this point!
It's not taxi's chart and if taxi had bothered to provide an original source with some context, you might understand it better. For instance,
I found this same chart in a news article, and it made perfect sense to me in light of the following statement from the hospital's CEO:
“Hunt Regional Medical Center continues to be at 100% occupancy with 43% of patients being COVID-positive,” Carter said. “Today we are holding steady with 61 total COVID positive patients at Hunt Regional Medical Center. Fifty-six of these patients are unvaccinated. Today there are 31 patients in the ICU – with two of these in the Cath Lab ICU overflow area. Twenty-three of these patients are COVID positive. Of the 23 COVID-positive ICU patients, 17 are on ventilators. One of the vented patients is vaccinated. There are three patients being held in the Greenville ER waiting on ICU beds.”
The chart correlates with what the CEO stated. It conveys the number of patients in the ICU and clarifies that 23 of them are COVID-positive. The point is to convey that the ICU is at capacity, and the proportion of ICU patients unvaccinated. Could this reporting and the chart been a bit more clear and comprehensive? Maybe. But none of this is misinformation.
Everyone in the chart has Covid. The purple are just unvaccinated.
Correction: not everyone in the chart has COVID. This can be easily understood by the the statement below the ICU portion that says 23 of the 31 are COVID positive.
I'm gonna guess you spouted that out without really reading Frank's objection, the chart, or the story. Or alternatively, you have a source of information that states otherwise; if so, I would ask that you share it.
31 patients in ICU
23 Covid positive
Somebody is being misleading! Did you even read it or just look at the pretty colors..
And how about some demographics? Co-morbidities?
Valid questions, in my opinion, though I don't think the original information is misleading, but rather taxi failed to interpret and/or convey it. There doesn't appear to be any data to answer to your latter two questions.
Ahhh, they are all Covid patients. The ones that aren’t Covid positive have cleared the virus but are so fubar’d they are still there. Permanent lung damage, blood clots, dialysis, etc.
Yes they are probably fat and have co-morbidities, yes it is stupid they are unvaccinated, but we still have to wait for them to go through the system. And plenty are healthy folks who got unlucky and are now enjoying a stay.
How did you discover that the non-positives reported by Hunt Regional on August 31st had cleared the virus? Is there a link to this information or did you talk to staff at Hunt Regional? If this is just assumption or misstatement, then own up to it, because you're currently stating that first part as if it's fact.
The chart you provided says none of those things! Misinformation!
Indeed. There's nothing in the original story that states this either, but just so we're clear, the misinformation arises from taxi's failure to interpret and/or convey the information.
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Further googling reveals...
As described in the Interim Guidance on Ending Isolation and Precautions for Adults with COVID-19, an estimated 95% of severely or critically ill patients, including some with severe immunocompromise, no longer had replication-competent virus 15 days after onset of symptoms;
So those poor saps that are no longer positive have probably been there a while.
I'm assuming you got this quote from
here? If so, help me understand the relevance. That is, how does this CDC statement published on June 2, 2021 explain the non-positives reported by Hunt Regional on August 31, 2021? Don't people go to the ICU for reasons other than COVID?
Again, I don't disagree that the story in the HB is conveying that the ICU is full, and that COVID is a major correlating factor, but you seem to be stating unfounded assumptions and I don't see how that helps your point. I think the better and honest answer would've been "I don't know what those poor saps are there for, dipshit, it doesn't say."
Again, your pretty colored picture says none of those things. It includes people that are not Covid positive. That is misleading!
Agree that the chart doesn't say why people are non-positive but, again, it does clearly state and the CEO clearly stated that 23 of the 31 in the ICU on the 31st were COVID positive. There is nothing misleading about that, taxi has just added information on top of the original report that doesn't seem to be there. You know, this information wasn't that hard to find, and you could've asked taxi to provide a link to it. Something to consider for future conversations.
And again your pretty pictures don’t make sense? So yesterday they had 31 in ICU but today only 29 yet they have 5 waiting for beds. Sorry but I don’t have a lot of faith in your pretty pictures. Somebody is making these pictures hoping that nobody actually reads them! How does that saying go?
Ok, so again, if taxi had provided the context, you might understand what's going on here. I'll again quote the hospital CEO's statement from the 31st:
"Today there are 31 patients in the ICU – with two of these in the Cath Lab ICU overflow area."
From that, I think it's clear that the main ICU's capacity is 29 and they happened to be using this cath lab to bring their ICU numbers up to 31 on the 31st. Why they aren't doing that for this latest report? I honestly don't know. Maybe they're cleaning the cath lab? Maybe they need to use it for it's intended purpose? Without specific information, it's anyone's guess.
