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SlickAg

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Two of the authors of the paper below; quote is from the NYT article.

“Dr. Marion Gruber, the director of the F.D.A.’s vaccines office, will retire at the end of October, and her deputy, Dr. Philip Krause, will leave in November, according to an email that Dr. Peter Marks, the agency’s top vaccine regulator, sent to staff members on Tuesday morning. One reason is that Dr. Gruber and Dr. Krause were upset about the Biden administration’s recent announcement that adults should get a coronavirus booster vaccination eight months after they received their second shot, according to people familiar with their thinking.

Neither believed there was enough data to justify offering booster shots yet, the people said, and both viewed the announcement, amplified by President Biden, as pressure on the F.D.A. to quickly authorize them.”


www.nytimes.com

Two Top F.D.A. Vaccine Regulators Are Set to Depart During a Crucial Period (Published 2021)

The announcement that Dr. Marion Gruber and Dr. Philip Krause will leave this fall comes as the agency conducts sensitive reviews of coronavirus vaccines for children and booster shots.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
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@Flash Really, whatever the lab leak theory was 10 months ago, it is no longer in the "unfounded" or "conspiracy theory" category. It just isn't. And the only reason it can be considered an accusation is because it is a charge that someone or some organization wrongly, even if by accident released it. If you believe in the leak theory, then by definition an accusation follows. You use it like it is a pejorative.

Today, there is no proof for either theory (yes the natural path you agree with is equally a theory). But I could still make an "accusation" that the US government purposely downplayed the possibility of the lab leak theory for other than public health reasons. See, two can play that game and it doesn't help. Both are theories. There is no proof for either one. There is nothing more to discuss until new information is known. Until then, no reason to imply all folks that believe the leak theory more than the natural theory are conspiracy theorists. That point is way past.
 
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Flash said:
I'm not the one making wild accusations that it is man-made, isn't the burden on the person making the accusation?

As for the 'proof', after looking at the virus the folks I know were expressing an informed professional judgement which may not be the proof you want but it is far better than trafficking in conspiracy theories.



Not really how things work, but whatever floats your boat.



Very true, and still a realistic possibility for the origin on the virus but that is not what I was arguing against, it was the unfounded accusation that it was man-made/created in a lab. BIG difference.
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Funny how you completely sidestepped my posts and the fact that the intelligence community went on record saying that the "conspiracy theory" lab leak idea is AT LEAST as likely as the natural origin one. Do you not trust our IC? Are you a conspiracy theorist?
 
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SlickAg

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“The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.

This increase was even bigger for vaccinated hospital patients, of whom 57 percent had mild or asymptomatic disease. But unvaccinated patients have also been showing up with less severe symptoms, on average, than earlier in the pandemic: The study found that 45 percent of their cases were mild or asymptomatic since January 21. According to Shira Doron, an infectious-disease physician and hospital epidemiologist at Tufts Medical Center, in Boston, and one of the study’s co-authors, the latter finding may be explained by the fact that unvaccinated patients in the vaccine era tend to be a younger cohort who are less vulnerable to COVID and may be more likely to have been infected in the past.”

www.theatlantic.com

Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning

A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
 
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ea6bflyr

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SlickAg said:
“The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.

This increase was even bigger for vaccinated hospital patients, of whom 57 percent had mild or asymptomatic disease. But unvaccinated patients have also been showing up with less severe symptoms, on average, than earlier in the pandemic: The study found that 45 percent of their cases were mild or asymptomatic since January 21. According to Shira Doron, an infectious-disease physician and hospital epidemiologist at Tufts Medical Center, in Boston, and one of the study’s co-authors, the latter finding may be explained by the fact that unvaccinated patients in the vaccine era tend to be a younger cohort who are less vulnerable to COVID and may be more likely to have been infected in the past.”

www.theatlantic.com

Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning

A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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Good news story…The real point of the story:
“One of the important implications of the study, these experts say, is that the introduction of vaccines strongly correlates with a greater share of COVID hospital patients having mild or asymptomatic disease. “It’s underreported how well the vaccine makes your life better, how much less sick you are likely to be, and less sick even if hospitalized,” Snyder said. “That’s the gem in this study.”

“People ask me, ‘Why am I getting vaccinated if I just end up in the hospital anyway?’” Griffin said. “But I say, ‘You’ll end up leaving the hospital.’” He explained that some COVID patients are in for “soft” hospitalizations, where they need only minimal treatment and leave relatively quickly; others may be on the antiviral drug remdesivir for five days, or with a tube down their throat. One of the values of this study, he said, is that it helps the public understand this distinction—and the fact that not all COVID hospitalizations are the same.”
 
Spekkio

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
ea6bflyr said:
“People ask me, ‘Why am I getting vaccinated if I just end up in the hospital anyway?’” Griffin said. “But I say, ‘You’ll end up leaving the hospital.’” He explained that some COVID patients are in for “soft” hospitalizations, where they need only minimal treatment and leave relatively quickly; others may be on the antiviral drug remdesivir for five days, or with a tube down their throat. One of the values of this study, he said, is that it helps the public understand this distinction—and the fact that not all COVID hospitalizations are the same.”
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He should have said "you'll only end up in the hospital if you over-react to a mild fever, cough, and congestion like a little bitch. Take some ibuprofin and stop clogging up our emergency healthcare services in lieu of people who actually need them."
 
ea6bflyr

ea6bflyr

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Spekkio said:
He should have said "you'll only end up in the hospital if you over-react to a mild fever, cough, and congestion like a little bitch. Take some ibuprofin and stop clogging up our emergency healthcare services in lieu of people who actually need them."
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My guess is you didn’t read the whole article. I think you missed why people were counted as COVID patients when they were at the hospital for other reasons….
 
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SlickAg

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ea6bflyr said:
My guess is you didn’t read the whole article. I think you missed why people were counted as COVID patients when they were at the hospital for other reasons….
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Because they administer COVID tests to every patient who's admitted...?

Here’s a good one...will the Biden administration follow the scientific consensus?

www.cnbc.com

Data shows Covid booster shots are 'not appropriate' at this time, U.S. and international scientists conclude

An expert review of data concludes Covid vaccine boosters are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of U.S. and international scientists said.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
 
Spekkio

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
ea6bflyr said:
My guess is you didn’t read the whole article. I think you missed why people were counted as COVID patients when they were at the hospital for other reasons….
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Oh, you couldn't detect my sarcasm / joking. Mah bad. I thought everyone knew that COVID-19 is a funny matter.
 
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Just read something interesting. The vaccination divide and federal orders mandating the jab have an effect on jury make up. Consider where vax resistance is. It is now far more likely you will have more registered Democrat's, far fewer blacks and Hispanics, fewer PhDs ( I still question PhD resistance, but what do I know), fewer people who question authority, fewer people who home school, a number that has sky rocketed in the last two years, Sadly, almost no one wants to go to jury duty. Now imagine how enthusiastic people will be when they, depending an each judicial authority's rules, have to provide proof of vaccination or submit to frequent testing, all to sit on a jury for some period of time that disrupts your life and for which you receive a pittance in enumeration.
 
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SlickAg

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wink said:
Do you really think that anyone who has visited this thread needs to be reminded of this?
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Reminded of something that happened this morning?

What are you driving at, exactly? If you don’t like my post, then by all means, please use your super mod powers to censor it in some way.

But I fail to see how this post is in any way, shape, or form inappropriate. Fauci et al have been saying one thing for quite some time, and now he has flip flopped again, so I presented a video with clips saying it wouldn’t and couldn’t happen, and then a clip of him saying today he supports vaccine mandates for travel and that the Biden Administration is considering it. From a show that happened, again, this morning.
 
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