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E and F Model Hornets

paikea

Eight-year-olds, Dude.
So, what is the difference between the workload and tasks of E and F model Super Hornets. How is the workload split between the pilot and WSO in the F model?
 

Jedj

Registered User
As far as missions go, there is no difference, except that the F guys can get a FAC-A qual where we cant. In regard to cockpit tasks I am not quite sure, some squadrons do things differently but I think it all comes down to who runs the radar and other sensors and when. Personally, I work best when I know that I have to do everything. It just keeps my head that much more in the game. A WSO will make all your ATC comm calls for you and additionally will call the ball behind the boat. The biggest kicker for the F model is the work hours as it relates to ground jobs. I am here to tell you that a single seat squadron will work a great many more hours than a squadron with double the ready room. that being said, I am still happy to fly single seat, especially since we have 1K#'s more in fuel (which helps at night behind the boat, even if you dont have anyone to talk to). I think that initially flying single seat will make you a better pilot, but for quality of life and things of that nature, it all comes down to personal preference and what type of guy you are. Some people would much rather have a guy in the back where others would hate it. In the end, its still a Super Hornet. Hope that helps.
 

T37Driver

Lone Warrior
dawson said:
As far as missions go, there is no difference, except that the F guys can get a FAC-A qual where we cant. In regard to cockpit tasks I am not quite sure, some squadrons do things differently but I think it all comes down to who runs the radar and other sensors and when. Personally, I work best when I know that I have to do everything. It just keeps my head that much more in the game. A WSO will make all your ATC comm calls for you and additionally will call the ball behind the boat. The biggest kicker for the F model is the work hours as it relates to ground jobs. I am here to tell you that a single seat squadron will work a great many more hours than a squadron with double the ready room. that being said, I am still happy to fly single seat, especially since we have 1K#'s more in fuel (which helps at night behind the boat, even if you dont have anyone to talk to). I think that initially flying single seat will make you a better pilot, but for quality of life and things of that nature, it all comes down to personal preference and what type of guy you are. Some people would much rather have a guy in the back where others would hate it. In the end, its still a Super Hornet. Hope that helps.

What determines that you get one or the other (I'm assuming needs of the Navy) and how far into the RAG?
 

Brett327

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dawson said:
Personally, I work best when I know that I have to do everything.
Spoken like someone who obviously hasn't had the privilege to do otherwise. ;)

Brett
 

Jedj

Registered User
The old AUG-9 on the Tomcat could not be operated from the front seat, so the RIO had to run the radar. WSO's in the F really make their money in the air to ground arena. Espcially on night CAS on goggles or a self escort strike with Brett and his buddies working SEAD. The WSO can work the air to ground sensors and really smooth out the transition from air to air. Besides, then you have someone else to blame when your bombs dont come off! Just kidding, just kidding.

As far as selection goes, when I went through it was different. We selected after our initial air to air radar stage and yes, the needs of the navy do apply. there will be X amound of E drops and X amount of F drops. For us it was 1st in class at the time got first choice and so on. Now I think they do a quality spread sort of thing. Additionally now they select towards the end of the RAG, prior the boat I believe.

And no Brett, I have not had the privelage, only the joy of multiple ground jobs and long ass strike planning sessions. The prowler guys in our airwing did a hilarious follies video on that subject last cruise actually. Something about how the three ECMO's take care of their pilot, to include feeding and dressing. I thought it was funny.
 

Fly Navy

...Great Job!
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@dawson: Did you go through VFA-122? On solo flights, are you flying an F model, or do they put you in the E?
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
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.... Personally, I work best when I know that I have to do everything. It just keeps my head that much more in the game.....
To crew or not to crew --- is that the question??? That shouldn't make any difference. I'm sure no one here REALLY means that they work better or worse depending on the "crew pairing". Personally, I've had lots of single-seat and multi-seat experience, military and civilian. Crewmembers to the left of me, to the right of me, behind me, in front of me. I always try to do my best, regardless of whether I fly multi or single seat.

Otherwise .... what am I doing there ??? :eek::confused::)

A wise man once told me: (partial quote follows) ....
" no matter WHAT you're doing, whether it's flying airplanes or sucking d*cks (he was very colorful, btw:)) ALWAYS DO THE BEST JOB YOU CAN ..."

He was probably the best LSO I've ever seen and one of the best/smoothest sticks as well) --- I took him at his word and profited thereby.
 

AllAmerican75

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A4sForever said:
A wise man once told me: (partial quote follows) ....[/B]" no matter WHAT you're doing, whether it's flying airplanes or sucking d*cks (he was very colorful, btw:)) ALWAYS DO THE BEST JOB YOU CAN ..."


I take it this was said back when the Navy was not as Politically Correct?
 

Fly Navy

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AllAmerican75 said:
I take it this was said back when the Navy was not as Politically Correct?

You can say that now so long as you do a clearing turn.
 

The Chief

Retired
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Fly Navy said:
@dawson: Did you go through VFA-122? On solo flights, are you flying an F model, or do they put you in the E?

Both, but understand that right now mostly E's as they have more E's than F's.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
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Brett327 said:
That's pretty standard in multi-crew jets. NFOs do most of the talking on the radios.

Brett

O I figured... when I read "call the ball" I had thought that to mean that he is the one actually calling the shots bringing the plane to the ball... not the actual radio call, which is what you're saying, right?
 
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