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Europe under extreme duress

Griz882

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That's....simplistic, and not quite right.
Of course it is simplistic. A field expedient at best. But it is silly to think that China just called check mate on massed drones by fielding a microwave dish.
 

Faded Float Coat

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Actually they were using bits of “foil” space blankets but…if you need help from an old History major, here is some science for you.

“Reflective materials such as aluminum stop microwaves by reflecting the electric part of the wave, while absorptive materials like conductive foam or rubber absorb the magnetic energy of the radiation.”

I don't know, the high power sparking/arcing seems like it'd be sub-optimal inside a confined space, but I only majored in PoliSci, so maybe we're both full of shit.
Of course it is simplistic. A field expedient at best. But it is silly to think that China just called check mate on massed drones by fielding a microwave dish.
Who said check mate? The discussion veered toward drone swarms. The HPM C-UAS system is interesting and relevant.
 

Griz882

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I don't know, the high power sparking/arcing seems like it'd be sub-optimal inside a confined space, but I only majored in PoliSci, so maybe we're both full of shit.

Who said check mate? The discussion veered toward drone swarms. The HPM C-UAS system is interesting and relevant.
Then here we are…two liberal arts types in agreement. The world is a beautiful place.
 

Flash

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Of course it is simplistic. A field expedient at best. But it is silly to think that China just called check mate on massed drones by fielding a microwave dish.
Who said check mate? The discussion veered toward drone swarms. The HPM C-UAS system is interesting and relevant.

It is more simplistic to think that it won't be 'exceptionally difficult' to 'harden' UAV's/drones against HPM or other directed energy weapons. It is unwise to dismiss, discount or diminish counter-UAV systems and/or Chinese systems in general nowadays. They have their limitations but plenty of capabilities as well.
 

Griz882

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It is more simplistic to think that it won't be 'exceptionally difficult' to 'harden' UAV's/drones against HPM or other directed energy weapons. It is unwise to dismiss, discount or diminish counter-UAV systems and/or Chinese systems in general nowadays. They have their limitations but plenty of capabilities as well.
I’ve done neither…maybe I have too much faith in engineers?
 

BigRed389

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I’ve done neither…maybe I have too much faith in engineers?
Engineering and science cuts both ways (offense/defense).

A perfectly solid box is totally proofed against any level of RF or HPM energy, and even EM to some extent (gamma rays would object, for example). Unfortunately, a solid box isn’t really useful for doing things like sensing…or moving control surfaces….or communicating.

We do blue on blue torture testing where we put shit through the beam patterns of the giant billboard sized antenna that is putting out metric fuck tons of RF energy. There’s a reason you want that ship to secure its radar when you are landing…otherwise your radios and circuit breakers start popping off or I get to read another report of how a pilot’s helmet suddenly “felt hot” on approach. So, yeah, bad shit happens if you throw enough RF at something that is electromechanical.

Point is, shit can be done, but imposes penalties in other areas, which is why we only do it to a point with flying vehicles, even where we know we will have to intentionally fly through the beam patterns of a gigantic radar. And that radar, while way more powerful than any mass fielded mobile ground system will be, is tuned for sensing, not deliberately cooking electronics.
 

JTS11

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Upon the 3rd anniversary of the full-scale RUS invasion of UKR, we should reflect on some things.

Interested to see what happens in German elections today.
 

cfam

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Upon the 3rd anniversary of the full-scale RUS invasion of UKR, we should reflect on some things.

Interested to see what happens in German elections today.
Early exit polls here (historically highly accurate) are saying the CDU (no surprise) is the leader in the high 20s, with the AFD polling around 20 (surprisingly no Elon bump, they actually lost a percent or two) the SPD is around 16 and the Greens around 12. The Linke is doing better than expected, and will definitely make it into the Bundestag. There are a couple of parties (BSW/FDP) that are in danger of not making the 5 percent cut off.

If I had to bet, we’ll be looking at either a CDU/SPD or CDU/Green coalition once the dust settles. Either would be a good thing, as the lesser partner will help moderate the CDU’s more conservative positions.
 

JTS11

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Early exit polls here (historically highly accurate) are saying the CDU (no surprise) is the leader in the high 20s, with the AFD polling around 20 (surprisingly no Elon bump, they actually lost a percent or two) the SPD is around 16 and the Greens around 12. The Linke is doing better than expected, and will definitely make it into the Bundestag. There are a couple of parties (BSW/FDP) that are in danger of not making the 5 percent cut off.

If I had to bet, we’ll be looking at either a CDU/SPD or CDU/Green coalition once the dust settles. Either would be a good thing, as the lesser partner will help moderate the CDU’s more conservative positions.
I watched an hours long video on this stuff before, and I think I kind of understood it...but thanks for breaking it down for me in brass tacks.
 

Randy Daytona

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Early exit polls here (historically highly accurate) are saying the CDU (no surprise) is the leader in the high 20s, with the AFD polling around 20 (surprisingly no Elon bump, they actually lost a percent or two) the SPD is around 16 and the Greens around 12. The Linke is doing better than expected, and will definitely make it into the Bundestag. There are a couple of parties (BSW/FDP) that are in danger of not making the 5 percent cut off.

If I had to bet, we’ll be looking at either a CDU/SPD or CDU/Green coalition once the dust settles. Either would be a good thing, as the lesser partner will help moderate the CDU’s more conservative positions.
From what I read previously, if the smaller parties reach 5% and qualify for representation, it would likely preclude a 2 party majority- and the CDU would have to cobble together a more unstable 3 party coalition. Any idea when the final results will be out?
 

cfam

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From what I read previously, if the smaller parties reach 5% and qualify for representation, it would likely preclude a 2 party majority- and the CDU would have to cobble together a more unstable 3 party coalition. Any idea when the final results will be out?
That’s correct, but it looks like that won’t be an issue if the BSW and FDP’s final results keep them out of the Bundestag (currently polling at 4.9 and 4.7 respectively with a 5 percent cutoff).

They’ll release provisional results tonight actually, with final results in three weeks.

One of the fascinating things in the German system is that they get all of the Chancellor candidates together live on election night after the exit polls have been released in a roundtable run by Germany’s public broadcaster. It’s incredibly interesting to watch, as you get to see all of the candidates reckon with the results realtime and debate what it means for collation building.
 

Griz882

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From what I read previously, if the smaller parties reach 5% and qualify for representation, it would likely preclude a 2 party majority- and the CDU would have to cobble together a more unstable 3 party coalition. Any idea when the final results will be out?
I agree. I don’t see any chance of a government forming between CDU and the Greens, I can easily imagine a government formed with SPD, but it won’t last long. If AfD lands above 20% they will have a significant say in government operations.
 
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Randy Daytona

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I agree. I don’t see any chance of a government forming between CDU and the Greens, I can easily imagine a government formed with SDU, but it won’t last long. If AfD lands above 20% they will have a significant say in government operations.
Here is reporting from Politico.eu. Looks like CDU/SDP could get 328 out of 630.

 
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