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Fight's On! The origins of TOPGUN and dogfights back in the day/future prospects

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a_m

Still learning how much I don't know.
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FLYTPAY said:
You Sir might be coming down from a bad trip and read a bad Popular Science magazine while up there. A B1, has zero A/A capability and although not currently a fighter guy, I think it is a poor idea to have a "missile truck" for A/A. "Missile trucks" for A/G, well, that is what the B-52 is. But hell, you never know what DARPA is coming up with next.
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The did talk about it. I believe they called it the B-1R. That's when I really started to laugh.
 
Tex_Hill

Tex_Hill

Airborne All the Way!!!
A B-1R has been proposed by Boeing.

The B-1R is a proposed replacement for the B-1B fleet. Boeing's director of global strike integration, Rich Parke, was first quoted about the "B-1R" bomber in Air Force Magazine. Parke said the B-1R (R stands for "regional") would be a Lancer with advanced radars, air-to-air missiles, and Pratt & Whitney F119 engines (originally developed for the F-22 Raptor). Its new top speed of Mach 2.2 would be purchased at the price of a 20% reduction of the B-1B's combat range. This proposal would involve modifying existing aircraft. The FB-22 and YF-23-based design are alternative proposals.

Boeing's proposal appears to modify the B-1B into a design able to serve these two purposes. For the bomb-truck role Boeing proposes the modification of existing external hardpoints to allow them to carry multiple conventional warheads, dramatically improving overall warload. For the air-to-air role, both defensive and offensive, they propose to add active electronically-scanned array radar and allow some of the hardpoints to carry anti-aircraft missiles. Even with its somewhat reduced range as compared to the original B-1B, its fuel capacity remains quite large. This would allow it to escape from unfavorable air-to-air encounters by simply running away; there are few enough aircraft capable of Mach 2+ performance in general, and those that are deployed can maintain these speeds for only very short periods of time.

In general terms the B-1R most closely resembles the original F-111 concept, as opposed to a pure bomber role. However it would be able to carry out these missions at ranges even greater than the F-111.
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Here's an article on the subject: Long-Range Strike in a Hurry
 
BENDER

BENDER

Member
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yeah, I know the B1 has no AA capabilities, but what I saw was on the Military Channel. I think we might be talking about something different, sorry I got confused... they had a hypothetical situation and a B1 missile truck, thought It would be a good idea, at least it seems that way intuitively.
 
Tex_Hill

Tex_Hill

Airborne All the Way!!!
Here's Boeing's idea of what the B-1R would look like:
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Offering Unique Solutions for Global Strike Force
 
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a_m

Still learning how much I don't know.
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I seem to remember an instructor in P'cola talking excitedly about how the B1 was getting a B-scope for their radar. That would be the first step in a missile truck.
 
FLYTPAY

FLYTPAY

Pro-Rec Fighter Pilot
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Single Seat said:
Actually I think it's a pretty interesting idea. It's got the speed, payload, capabilities.
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You just want an easy gun kill.:D 192,000# EMPTY weight fighter??????? Poor cockpit visibility. If it goes into the merge, do you think it has a chance? BVR is it going to be better than something that can fight in a knife fight? Sounds like an idea that someone who got stuck in the UAV community with a cold-war mindset came up with to get back into the cockpit.
 
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