How does that affect their lineal number for promotions and career timelines?
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FormerRecruitingGuru
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Didn’t the navy do the same, or more of identical to that by sending brand new ENS to NPS or other academic institutions for a year or two and then send them to flight school?
It doesn’t change their lineal number but it does impact timelines - this is where BUPERS/AVN community needs to reevaluate O-4 promotion metrics since many might not meet the required milestones as before.
Nah, they just had them do some nps type classes towards a masters while they waited to class up for NIFE. It's was 1 or 2 semesters and they didn't physically go anywhere.
As far as affecting promotion, the backups hit everyone equally in your group so it's not a big deal. Most are showing up to their first squadron and putting on O3 after a few months.
Good question and I do not know. However, however, there are a number here who accept non-permanent GS and NH level civil service positions as well as positions with large contractors ... So it's not like these young people are flipping burgers or delivering pizzas.
I guess what I’m asking is about the IRR part specifically, not just stashing someone somewhere. Usually falling into the IRR is done after some sort of departure from active duty, no? Which I assume would involve a DD-214.
exNavyOffRec
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I saw some who were sent IRR waiting to class up, some did end up working food service jobs as there were in areas that didn't have much else.
The Army from what I saw would just commission people in the Reserves, National Guard, or IRR if they didn't need them. I had a few that tried to join the USN for a commission, these kids had spent years thinking they were all set to be active Army after graduation only to find out a few months prior that wasn't the case.
FormerRecruitingGuru
Making Recruiting Great Again
For a while NROTC kids who were SNA/SNFO who commissioned would be IRR between commissioning and when they reported to Pensacola, which could be up to several months. Not sure if they still do that these days.
Yes, but the delay generally evened out when those that didn't go would do their disassociated.
That was one iteration. But in 2000-2001, they also sent SNAs to grad school before starting flight school. I was an IP with one in the VTs and it did give him some more flex in his timing. As it turned out, he ended up getting picked up for FTS/TAR with me, so it was less of an issue, but there were others.
Correct. But the -214 isn't that big a deal (I had one in the middle of my JO tour when I augmented from 1315 to 1310). The issue comes to active-duty time, which would affect retirement. Specifically, years of service if someone where to stay that long with the AC, or point accumulation if someone went to the RC side.
So years in the IRR are still “years for retirement”? But if the individual isn’t getting a good year via points, doesn’t that also make it NOT a year that is useable for retirement? Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you meant.
I’m making the assumption that in the initial post by Chuck, the AF is doing this for some “career enhancing” reason. If not, then it seems like an administrative hassle to effectively separate someone just to bring them back. I highly doubt they’re doing it out of the goodness of their hearts to give new JOs a chill period of time, or to avoid paying 2ndLt their paychecks to just sit.
Correct.
Also, correct. That was my point...that going to IRR stops the retirement TIS (and points) clock while also stopping the paychecks.
This is absolutely the reason to do this, and why the Navy has done it in the past. The cost of a salary and Tri-Care is more than the administrative hassle, which to be honest, is just time spent at PSD getting everything turned back on again. More of a hassle for the member than Big <DoD Entity>.
USAF "UPT NEXT" is online. The AF approach to pilot training now presumes the entry candidate has FAA Commercial Pilot Certificate in Airplane Single Engine Land and Instrument Airplane..
The AF funds candidates, on active duty orders to Part 61 and 141 civilian flight schools , who do not have a COMM ASEL .
Then 30 Hours in the T-6 to wings.
Fighter selects go to T-38 and all others go to the Formal Training Unit (aka FRS) of their Major Weapon System (aka fleet aircraft).
Dramatic change to say the least...
The AF funds candidates, on active duty orders to Part 61 and 141 civilian flight schools , who do not have a COMM ASEL .
Then 30 Hours in the T-6 to wings.
Fighter selects go to T-38 and all others go to the Formal Training Unit (aka FRS) of their Major Weapon System (aka fleet aircraft).
Dramatic change to say the least...
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Do bomber selects go to the T-38 or FTU?
Good question. I am not sure.
T-38 for the time being.
