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German Aid Sent Back
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snizo said:
How many of those are last minute flights that didn't work the flight through the appropriate channels? My det did nothing but flew relief missions in Indonesia for 30 days straights. In the first two weeks, I think we were turned away, not allowed to land or take-off on at least 6 different occassions. So I can once again make an educated guess based on my experience. The alternative theory is off the mark, plain and simple.
snizo said:
I don't know, it sounds a lot like crying to me. Maybe whining. Don't worry, I'm not worried about your respecting me on any level.
snizo said:
Never said you didn't :watching_
IRfly said:
Number one, if you can't handle me, on the net of all places, naval aviation is not for you. I give you grief because you come across as an arrogant college student. I didn't drag the naval community into this discussion, you have attempted to come into it. If you think I'm bad, just wait, I'm just a ****ing COD driver. That is, if you even make it into the fraternity. I do have some experience in the Navy and Naval aviation. I know what I like to see with regards to our Officers and aviators. When I see what I presume to be a whiner, complainer wanting to enter the ranks, I'm going to speak up. The Navy is often made up of three types. I like to refer to them as the **** hots, average joes and the others. The smallest group is the "others" but they are usually the most vocal. They complain, *****, moan and whine constantly. They are the bottom performers but for some reason always feel they got the raw deal. Their poor performance is always due to something else. I don't see many others in the O ranks but it does happen. What I see in your posts is a lot of whining, usually about the administration, on top of the I know it all attitude. When I see that, it simply reminds me of the others.
So why **** around and waste time. Lets get it out in the open and see if you've got what it takes. That's why I give you what you perceive to be a "hard" time. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong (except for the logistic part) but the last thing the Navy needs is another "other". When it comes to naval aviation, the officer corps, leadership, etc, you don't know jack ****. That's the way it is whether you want to accept it or not. I'm going to call it like I see it, at least on this website. That's way it goes in the military, **** travels downhill, not up.
Reading comprehension: always an issue. My feelings are not in the least bit hurt. I just thought that it was funny how you dissed the whole NFO community (which you did--implying that my future designator somehow explained my supposed stupidity), and then said, "No offense." I don't recall having complained or whined. Maybe you could paste the quote in which I did? I didn't really like your associating NFOs with stupidity, but that's not my battle. As far as my views on the administration, I wasn't aware that disagreement was whining...If so, then the whole military was a crying baby from '93-'01. Nor was I aware that trying to ascertain intentions was whining. Wow, I do have alot to learn...
I'm trying to get down to the real meat of the issue here, though...You're saying that the whole thing with the German plane being turned back was nothing more than a logistics issue--paperwork error, lack of proper documentation, etc. I'm saying that while a logistics issue was probably involved, it's also possible that that issue was simply an excuse to refuse assistance from a country with whom this administration has had severe ideological disagreement and in whose debt I doubt George Bush wants to find himself. But what's the real problem? Is it that I'm one of those detested "college students?" You feel that simply by virtue of your age/experience that I should just shut up and walk away?
Here's where I find myself in a quandry...I'm aching to post some of my resume here, but 1) I am determined to try to maintain my anonymity (even though Steve says its impossible
), and 2) I've got nothing to prove. People reading it will be able to judge for themselves which of us has valid points. This discussion, however, has degenerated from one of U.S. policy to a pissing contest. And now it's morphed into why I'm a whiner, or won't succeed in the Navy, or why I need you to try to abuse me in order to see if "I've got what it takes" or whatever...
If I were talking to someone face to face and they started ranting as you have, I would walk away. But with a salute to a senior officer, of course.
I'm trying to get down to the real meat of the issue here, though...You're saying that the whole thing with the German plane being turned back was nothing more than a logistics issue--paperwork error, lack of proper documentation, etc. I'm saying that while a logistics issue was probably involved, it's also possible that that issue was simply an excuse to refuse assistance from a country with whom this administration has had severe ideological disagreement and in whose debt I doubt George Bush wants to find himself. But what's the real problem? Is it that I'm one of those detested "college students?" You feel that simply by virtue of your age/experience that I should just shut up and walk away?
Here's where I find myself in a quandry...I'm aching to post some of my resume here, but 1) I am determined to try to maintain my anonymity (even though Steve says its impossible
), and 2) I've got nothing to prove. People reading it will be able to judge for themselves which of us has valid points. This discussion, however, has degenerated from one of U.S. policy to a pissing contest. And now it's morphed into why I'm a whiner, or won't succeed in the Navy, or why I need you to try to abuse me in order to see if "I've got what it takes" or whatever... If I were talking to someone face to face and they started ranting as you have, I would walk away. But with a salute to a senior officer, of course.
snizo said:
They arrive with comsumer goods and material bought by someone in this country. In other words, they are delievering specificly requested items. The clearances and documentation for anything unsually would have taken a couple days.
IRfly said:
Your feelings are hurt, otherwise you wouldn't respond. Your stupidity is yours and yours alone though you wanting to be an NFO simply doesn't surprise me. Don't even pretend you know anything when it comes to the NFO community. I would refer to you as an other but since you haven yet to make it into the Navy in general, you are simply a wannabe other. You're right about one thing, you have a lot to learn. This is whining or *****ing if you will:
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IRfly said:
The real meat of the issue is that I made an educated guess as to the more likely scenario. Is another reason possible? Sure. Is it likely, IMO...no.
IRfly said:Here's where I find myself in a quandry...I'm aching to post some of my resume here, but 1) I am determined to try to maintain my anonymity (even though Steve says its impossible
If I were talking to someone face to face and they started ranting as you have, I would walk away. But with a salute to a senior officer, of course.
By all means, if you think your resume or experience gives you an upper hand, post it. Don't **** around with threats, do it. Remember, cock strong, not weak dick. I'm glad you've accepted the fact that yes, you are a whiner. I've seen a lot in my almost 13 years active duty and I will call it like I see it. It's good that you will salute a senior officer, of course you have to become an officer first.
Alright, alright...I give up. We'll let General Franks off the hook. And President Bush. And, while we're at it, everyone else...Nothing is anybody's fault. This country finds itself currently more screwed than at any other point in recent history, but that's just the result of the buffetings of history against which we helplessly thrash.
So tell me...These days, what is the President responsible for? Is he responsible for appointing competent people to important positions? Apparently not. Who was responsible for the disaster in Iraq? No one suspected... True, no one suspected that the Republican guard wouldn't stand and fight toe-to-toe with the most advanced army in the world. They instead decided to melt away and start a guerilla war. That's called a tactic. When an enemy employs a tactic that no one suspects, that's called generals getting caught with their pants down. In history, they usually call such generals "unsuccessful" rather than "heroes." But no one is responsible, right? Good thing that the "grown-ups" are back in the White House...
So tell me...These days, what is the President responsible for? Is he responsible for appointing competent people to important positions? Apparently not. Who was responsible for the disaster in Iraq? No one suspected... True, no one suspected that the Republican guard wouldn't stand and fight toe-to-toe with the most advanced army in the world. They instead decided to melt away and start a guerilla war. That's called a tactic. When an enemy employs a tactic that no one suspects, that's called generals getting caught with their pants down. In history, they usually call such generals "unsuccessful" rather than "heroes." But no one is responsible, right? Good thing that the "grown-ups" are back in the White House...
IRfly said:
It isn't the Republican Guard blowing themsleves up in the streets of Iraq or placing IEDs roadside. The RG is defeated.
IRfly said:
By your account history has bestowed honors on quiet of few generals and admirals that don't deserve it. I'll wait for history to play out.
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