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Gun replica prompts arrest, lockdowns

scoober78

(HCDAW)
pilot
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Bullshit. !#!#$^%@# I KNOW what I would do. There are some things you know about yourself, and there are some things you KNOW about yourself.

Yeah...Raptor, I have to agree with what Herc had to say here. You never know until the lead goes downrange. Any CQB instructor will tell you the same thing. I have spent time and money training for a time when I might have to draw my pistol but anyone, cop, soldier, etc...will tell you that its always different when you mean it and there is a live body downrange. Don't thump your chest unless you really know...which I assume you don't.

As far as the armed teacher argument is concerned...in keeping with my belief that weapons are tools, neither good or evil, there is nothing inherently wrong in possesing one in a school. That said, my problem has always been the standard we hold the user of that tool to. I have met many a concealed weapons carrier in my lifetime and quite frankly, most of them scare the hell out of me. They are not disciplined, usually not well trained and often more prone to bravado and chest thumping than the next guy. Because of this there are environments where higher standards need to be enforced...Should Joe Schmoe be able to carry while inbibing with friends at a bar...probably not...should the average teacher carry in a school...probably not. Training a few teachers as a response force and allowing them to carry, for example, is an idea that has merit and should be discussed.
 

Brett327

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Yeah...Raptor, I have to agree with what Herc had to say here. You never know until the lead goes downrange. Any CQB instructor will tell you the same thing. I have spent time and money training for a time when I might have to draw my pistol but anyone, cop, soldier, etc...will tell you that its always different when you mean it and there is a live body downrange. Don't thump your chest unless you really know...which I assume you don't.

As far as the armed teacher argument is concerned...in keeping with my belief that weapons are tools, neither good or evil, there is nothing inherently wrong in possesing one in a school. That said, my problem has always been the standard we hold the user of that tool to. I have met many a concealed weapons carrier in my lifetime and quite frankly, most of them scare the hell out of me. They are not disciplined, usually not well trained and often more prone to bravado and chest thumping than the next guy. Because of this there are environments where higher standards need to be enforced...Should Joe Schmoe be able to carry while inbibing with friends at a bar...probably not...should the average teacher carry in a school...probably not. Training a few teachers as a response force and allowing them to carry, for example, is an idea that has merit and should be discussed.

On the other hand, this makes sense.

Brett
 

snake020

Contributor
AK passed a law a few years back allowing anyone to carry concealed w/o a CCW permit except felons and crazies. Makes people think twice before committing personal crimes
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
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Super Moderator
Contributor
As far as the armed teacher argument is concerned...in keeping with my belief that weapons are tools, neither good or evil, there is nothing inherently wrong in possesing one in a school. That said, my problem has always been the standard we hold the user of that tool to. I have met many a concealed weapons carrier in my lifetime and quite frankly, most of them scare the hell out of me. They are not disciplined, usually not well trained and often more prone to bravado and chest thumping than the next guy. Because of this there are environments where higher standards need to be enforced...Should Joe Schmoe be able to carry while inbibing with friends at a bar...probably not...should the average teacher carry in a school...probably not. Training a few teachers as a response force and allowing them to carry, for example, is an idea that has merit and should be discussed.

I think there are very few teachers who would qualify for, or even want to, invest the time and energy into the necessary training to carry a gun in a school. Especially for something that just does not happen that often at all, when you consider how few times it has happened relative to how many schools are in this country. And unlike a madman/terrorist on a plane, a shooter/s at a school doesn't have the ability to kill thousands or more. It is a matter of scale and impact.

And I will say again what I have said twice already:

"The debate is a moot point anyways, the American public at large is not going to allow guns be carried by teachers in schools."
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Slightly off topic...

Despite some 20,000 gun laws in the United States, mostly at the state and local levels, there is little evidence that any but the most weakly motivated citizens have been discouraged from gun ownership. And there is no evidence that these gun control laws have made a dent in the crime rate. (National Center for Policy Analysis, www.ncpa.org)

Check your sources, that 'Center' is not exactly an unbiased source of info.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Center_for_Policy_Analysis


But I love this:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-sep2206-greenleaf.84b1934.html (the ordinance has since passed)

Weapons for everyone = less crime apparently (?) :)

Who wants to steal from a bunch of trailer park owners anyways? ;)
 

Brett327

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Barnard1425 said:
Most CCW-types I know are practically begging for an opportunity to put their weapon to use.

I think we might just have someone who fits that bill right here on AW. Where's Masterbates? :D
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
Nope, if I make it to 100 and never have to use it, that would be ideal.

However, I prefer to have a gun I will probably not need, than to need a gun and not have it. There have been a couple times when I was glad I was carrying, best example was leaving the movies after seeing Star Wars III (saw the midnight show, because my airlift for deployment was 0900 opening day) and a bunch of "punks" started cat-calling my ex (this was before she gained an H2P) and saying what they wanted to do to her.

Granted, they probably were a bunch of ricer-driving rich kids who thought they were tough, but 7 on 1 is a hard fight without an effective force multiplier.

Also, have come home late at night and had people approach while walking to my apartment, (I lived in a shady complex) and it was nice to know I was not bringing fists to a knife/gun fight if anyone tried to get violent.
 

Brett327

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Nope, if I make it to 100 and never have to use it, that would be ideal.

However, I prefer to have a gun I will probably not need, than to need a gun and not have it. There have been a couple times when I was glad I was carrying, best example was leaving the movies after seeing Star Wars III (saw the midnight show, because my airlift for deployment was 0900 opening day) and a bunch of "punks" started cat-calling my ex (this was before she gained an H2P) and saying what they wanted to do to her.

Granted, they probably were a bunch of ricer-driving rich kids who thought they were tough, but 7 on 1 is a hard fight without an effective force multiplier.

Also, have come home late at night and had people approach while walking to my apartment, (I lived in a shady complex) and it was nice to know I was not bringing fists to a knife/gun fight if anyone tried to get violent.

Case in point. ;)

Brett
 

BackOrdered

Well-Known Member
Contributor
This is why my old Naval science instructor in high school didn't play around about how we presented our M-1 dummy rifles in public. But at college level, this is just survival of the fittest playing itself out.
 

raptor10

Philosoraptor
Contributor
Disregard my previous comments, this 20 year old guy can get pretty passionate, and will shoot from the hip from time to time...
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
.... this 20 year old guy can get pretty passionate, and will shoot from the hip ..
LIP .... it's shoot from the LIP ... not hip. This IS the internet ...

And that's generally O.K. in your case as you have displayed more socially redeeming values than not .... and at least it shows you're still breathing ... :)
 

Cate

Pretty much invincible
Wow. This is what happens when I leave a comment and take off for the weekend.

For the record, my comment wasn't excusing anything. It was merely explaining why some people might wig out just a bit seeing a guy with an M-16 wandering around a college campus, for reasons other than Evil Liberal (OOGABOOGA!) Anti-Gun Indoctrination.

I'd wig out if I saw some of y'all on campus whether you were armed or not. I'd just KNOW, y'know? Some things you just KNOW.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
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Wow. This is what happens when I leave a comment and take off for the weekend.....

The ONLY question is: why would any "real" human being come BACK onto this website after enjoying the saving graces of "reality" (or what passes for it these days) for a weekend .... Hmmmmmmmmmmm ????? :eek:
 

Cate

Pretty much invincible
Because it helps to ease back into real, miserable reality from the pleasant, easy quasi-reality that is a lovely weekend at the river. :)
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
Because it helps to ease back into real, miserable reality from the pleasant, easy quasi-reality that is a lovely weekend at the river. :)

Well, then ... since I'm not too proud ... I weep for the future of recovering evil liberal journalist(s).

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