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Gun replica prompts arrest, lockdowns
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There you go ... you finally got one right. You don't know "Jack" (and I don't mean Bauer) about firearms.
No sh!t ... bad idea for teachers to carry guns, right?? ... that's the job for professionals -- security guards and police officers, yes ??? Teachers are busy enough trying to teach class, making sure their students are able to pass the required standardized tests, making lesson plans, grading tests and papers, coaching sports teams, etc., etc ---
Hell, the next thing you know --- THESE GUN NUTS WILL WANT AIRLINE PILOTS TO CARRY GUNS!!!
And we know THAT will never happen!!! The American public will NOT stand for it!!! There's NO WAY pilots can concentrate, fly the airplane, eat their inflight meals, go to the head, and still "worry" about carrying a firearm!!!
OH.... you mean they already do .... ??!!??
What do you think are some of the pros/cons of teachers carrying weapons in school?
Cate
Pretty much invincible
No smileys? No limes? My heart, she breaks.Well, then ... since I'm not too proud ... I weep for the future of recovering evil liberal journalist(s).
Look at who founded it, who funds it and many of the contibuters of the studies. I would not expect that with that kind of backing and leadership they would find anything good about gun control, it would be a forgone conclusion. Take a look at their 'Enviromental Task Force', it is a whose who of conservative think tanks and organizations.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Center_for_Policy_Analysis
greysword
Boldly lick where no one has licked before
I think I would encourage some teachers to carry weapons if they wanted to, especially those who came from the military or law enforcement.
In reading the discussion, one scene would come to mind. It seems that the standard operating procedure these days are to lock down the school. Unless I am mistaken, this means shutting each classroom into a private silo with the teacher and the students as the only occupants. If this were the case, then a teacher with a firearm would be wary of every person trying to come through the door. If a gunman/woman breached the locked door, they would probably be facing a barrel from the side of the classroom and not make it very far into the room before being shot.
Teachers go through a lot of training on their own time for the betterment of their students. I think if it was accepted for a teacher to be able to carry a firearm in school, then I think several would be willing to spend the off duty time to learn how to use it as well as the tactics and responsibilities that accompany the weapon.
I guess bottom line, if I were a student (or my daughter is at school) where someone was running around the school shooting up the place, I would be grateful that my (her) teacher has the door locked, is armed, standing between the students and the door, and ready to take out anyone who tries to breach the doorway without the password.
In reading the discussion, one scene would come to mind. It seems that the standard operating procedure these days are to lock down the school. Unless I am mistaken, this means shutting each classroom into a private silo with the teacher and the students as the only occupants. If this were the case, then a teacher with a firearm would be wary of every person trying to come through the door. If a gunman/woman breached the locked door, they would probably be facing a barrel from the side of the classroom and not make it very far into the room before being shot.
Teachers go through a lot of training on their own time for the betterment of their students. I think if it was accepted for a teacher to be able to carry a firearm in school, then I think several would be willing to spend the off duty time to learn how to use it as well as the tactics and responsibilities that accompany the weapon.
I guess bottom line, if I were a student (or my daughter is at school) where someone was running around the school shooting up the place, I would be grateful that my (her) teacher has the door locked, is armed, standing between the students and the door, and ready to take out anyone who tries to breach the doorway without the password.
It doesn't matter WHAT I think ... the sad thing is that we are even discussing the QUESTION of the pros/cons of teachers "carrying" in school.
Our society is self-destructing ... from within. And EVERYONE who is "going along" is equally responsible.
When I was a kid ... the most severe thing that MIGHT happen is two toughs meeting after school ... it usually turned into a pushing/shoving match ... and occasionally there was a bloody nose or a knocked out tooth ... and occasionally a teacher (who had a finger on the pulse of the classroom "telegraph") would show up and put a stop to the nascent fisticuffs.
But today??? Kids bring guns, knives, drugs, etc., etc., to class these days ... they have to clear metal detectors ... there are armed, uniformed police on some public school campuses. Today, kids kill each other and their teachers.
So how did all this happen??? How did it EVER come about in this great country??? Where is the responsibility?? The accountability?? How do you stop this juvenile cancer of violence that IS the decay in our society today??? Violence and killing ... In our schools, for God's sake???
I don't think teachers should HAVE to carry concealed for the protection of themselves and their students. I also don't believe they should be left defenseless in an increasingly insane world.
I kind of sidestepped your question. But I would never deny the right of self defense to anyone ... and neither should you .... unless you've got a better program going ....
What do YOU think ... ???
Everybody dies.
Ahhh, thought you were asking about the money behind the 'center'......
I don't trust the numbers, and I think the 'center' is not exactly unbiased when it comes to their research. So you can say I think the source is bad. Look at the paper closely, the vast majority of footnotes are from a small handful of authors who have written pro-gun screeds. An example is the following:
"Americans use firearms for protection an estimated one million times each year. Ninety-eight percent of the time, they simply brandish the weapon or fire a warning shot. [33] But not always [34]
Each year, gun-wielding citizens kill an estimated 2,000 to 3,000 criminals in self-defense, three times the number killed by police.
They wound another 9,000 to 17,000 criminals each year."
Both footnotes:
33.Kleck, Point Blank, p. 116.
34.Kleck, Point Blank, pp. 111-17.
Refer to this book: http://www.amazon.com/Point-Blank-G...ef=sr_1_4/002-6545331-6696058?ie=UTF8&s=books
Which is touted on sites like this:
http://icarry.org/modules.php?name=Amazon&asin=0202305694
http://www.constitution.org/readlst2.htm
http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/pointblank/pointblank.shtml
Not exactly unbiased and as far as I am concerned, and not reliable unless I actually see the original source material cited. Also not considered in the paper are other factors in gun violence in the four cities cited, like a high concentration of poverty.
Funny what you find when you do a little research.........
Kleck is hardly "unbiased" ... if you look at his history, he came into the argument WITH a bias and subsequently lost it --- but not in favor of more gun control .........Not exactly unbiased and as far as I am concerned, and not reliable unless I actually see the original source material cited. ... Funny what you find when you do a little research.........
From Professor Kleck's volutary disclosure statement:
The author is a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, Amnesty International USA, Independent Action, Democrats 2000, and Common Cause, among other politically liberal organizations He is a lifelong registered Democrat, as well as a contributor to liberal Democratic candidates. He is not now, nor has he ever been, a member of, or contributor to, the National Rifle Association, Handgun Control, Inc. nor any other advocacy organization, nor has he received funding for research from any such organization.
As far as original sources addressing the defensive gun uses (DGU's) on an annual basis --- would you believe your own US Department of Justice study commissioned in 1997 ??? Compiled at the height of the 2 terms of a virulently anti-gun political administration??? It's been reinforced ever since with every "legitimate" study ... and some not so legitimate as well ... except for the gun control groups "screed" and phony "science".
Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms
As you pointed out ... it's funny what you find when you do a little research.........
How am I to know that he didn't join those organizations just to pad his resume? And based on his books, I would hardly call him unbiased........(look him up on Amazon....)
[/I]As far as original sources addressing the defensive gun uses (DGU's) on an annual basis --- would you believe your own US Department of Justice study commissioned in 1997 ??? Compiled at the height of the 2 terms of a virulently anti-gun political administration??? It's been reinforced ever since with every "legitimate" study ... and some not so legitimate as well ... except for the gun control groups "screed" and phony "science".
Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms
As you pointed out ... it's funny what you find when you do a little research.........
Why yes I do believe the report from the Department of Justice, it is very well written and has a lot of original research to back up its findings. And believe it or not I actually read the report, and it just reinforces my points. Particularly on pages 9 and 10, where it punches so many holes in Kleck and Gertz's research it makes your head spin. Their research (Kleck and Gertz) is based on a simple telephone survey, and nothing else. Where is the research into crime statistics like what was done in the governments report? A little bit of research and reading does the mind good.......
Thanks for posting the report, it is nice to see someone on this board to back up your claims with source material.
