Cool. Your response is indicative of someone who wears "Who Farted?" or "Let's go Brandon!" T-shirts and think that is funny...Also, someone who thinks Musk is tech-Jesus
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Hard Power and Soft Power
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So Trump is seeking to end the lowly penny. Will definitely mean change. Does it make cents? I couldn't make heads or tails of it at first, but apparently many have been calling for this for decades. So I guess this decision will be right on the money.
Come on Rob, you actually think he personally engineered this rocket? Are you being serious?
I'll say that if you were initially in Musk's camp 10+ years ago, I wasn't there with you. To me, he was everything you say here. I'm generally not impressed by most people, him included. But I have reluctantly admitted in more recent years that his hand did push the EV, and it did push private space exploration. That might not be "visionary" material, but it is something. I really don't like the dude, but I can give credit to his company pushing some technology that has maybe improved humanity in some ways. Doesn't mean I am a fan boy, or approve of what is currently happening in the federal govt/DOGE. I think we are in violent agreement about what all of that means for this country.
It has reached a point where I have to have weekly conversations at work about what our Oath really means. I have to have conversations about what lawful orders are.
We're in a precarious position in which we can become the bad guys.
It's a conversation every Guardsman should be having. We are not loyal to a man. We are loyal to the Constitution of our Nation and of our State. We will be found guilty if we follow illegal (but somehow popular) orders.
We're in a precarious position in which we can become the bad guys.
It's a conversation every Guardsman should be having. We are not loyal to a man. We are loyal to the Constitution of our Nation and of our State. We will be found guilty if we follow illegal (but somehow popular) orders.
Exactly. Well said.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
He's literally autistic.
Completely agree with this statement.
To date, active duty and Natl. Guard movements, in particular along the southern border, have been well within the law.
Are there any specific orders you are referring to. or just a discussion point?
The message has been clearly, publicly, sent by example that you and your fellow co-conspirators will be pardoned of executing illegally directed actions. Be labeled patriots even.
...if you are related to Biden ... or any other politically motivated example one wishes to give.
Come on people, let's have an informed discussion, not mudslinging for or against one's political views.
We have the Constitution and all the laws from which it flowed.
So what actions can or can not be done, per that legal framework?
And, even if legal, are they good choices for the near and long term strength of our country?
Therein lies the roots for good intelligent discourse.
Spot on. I did the border mission back in the 2000’s. The work was challenging but the legal brief we received was, by far, the best ROA/ROE I have ever had. The mission was politically unpopular at the time but it was executed with dignity and to the standard demanded.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
A common misunderstanding that pervades these discussions is that the Constitution is a framework that governs federal and state laws. It has no innate authority without being implemented into statute (state or federal) and/or being adjudicated upon by judicial review (case law). You cannot simply say "that's unconstitutional!"
To quote Jon Stewart..."Who decided to tell Trump about the Alien Enemies Act of 1798?!?"
This goes way beyond politics and speaks directly to a military leadership challenge.
Three mil personnel were convicted of war crimes (two of them murder) by the military justice system, and the then-POTUS directly intervened, strongly cheered on by the new SECDEF in his previous role.
Then, 1500 were pardoned for violent actions to interfere with a free and fair election that resulted in many, many injuries and multiple deaths of law enforcement personnel.
You have to be realistic about the message this sends.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Perhaps a Constitutional amendment to limit pardon powers is in order.
Never stated "that's unconstitutional" as a basis for anything. I did state "and all the laws from which it flowed." which I thought clearly meant as enacted by statute and validated in the courts.