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Really strongly recc that anyone headed for Norfolk or NASO do house-hunting leave if you can. If even if you have to go on your own time & own dime, do it. It's just impossible to get a feel for the area via Google Maps and MLS listings - your real commute time, the neighborhood, etc. - and there's no substitute for personal recce. In the whole area, but especially VB and Norfolk, the diff between a great neighborhood and "lock your door, honey" can be a few blocks. I lived in Ocean View, where million-dollar houses were across the street from crack dens...weird and rapid gentrification.

Can't agree more. Norfolk has some of the spottiest neighborhoods. I lived in Ghent, but even there you're still only a few blocks from the ghetto/projects. There were some new apartments they put up a few years ago that looked awesome on the webpage. Too bad when you get there you realize that they're next to a U-Haul place and across the street from the bus depot.
 

Flash

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So is VB. One of the weirder parts of VA local gov't: once a municipality reaches a certain population, it's 'divorced' from the county. And in the case of VB, the city was split off from Princess Anne county, then eventually absorbed it. So the entire county is now the City of Virginia Beach.

Not quite, I am not sure if there is a minimum number but even small municipality/locales can become a city in Virginia. There is no automatic trigger that makes it happen, the locality has to apply for it and the process is long and complex, which is why it rarely happens nowadays. Tax advantages and local control of schools/services are the main reason it has happened in recent times.
 

HeyJoe

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091119-N-3038W-414 GULF OF OMAN (Nov. 19, 2009) An E-2C Hawkeye assigned to the Wallbangers of Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 117 performs a banking turn before landing aboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68). The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group is on a routine deployment to the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class John Phillip Wagner Jr./Released)
 

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091119-N-3038W-414 GULF OF OMAN (Nov. 19, 2009) An E-2C Hawkeye assigned to the Wallbangers of Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 117 performs a banking turn before landing aboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68). The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group is on a routine deployment to the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class John Phillip Wagner Jr./Released)

"Wallbanger 602, numbers for the banking turn"
 

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Hard to do a SH break when you can't go past 60 AOB or 2g.

You could try, but it wouldn't end well. NATOPS is sometimes said to be written in blood. Not so much these days, but certain limits, restirctions, etc. do prevent the result of certain bloodshed.
 

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NATOPS says we can do "more" than 2g, but the Commodore wants 2g for Fatigue Life.

The Man's planes, The Man gets them flown how he wants.
 

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NATOPS says we can do "more" than 2g, but the Commodore wants 2g for Fatigue Life.

The Man's planes, The Man gets them flown how he wants.

Not doing a high G break does extend Fatigue Life considerably. I remember seeing lots of 3 and 4G airframes in both the Tomcat and Intruder communities when they were trying to make them last as long as possible. One former CO serving as N88 RO even proposed not going to the break at all and doing straight-ins to perserve FLE (Fatigue Life Expended). He only mentioned it once.
 

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One can go beyond 60 degree AOB and 2g in the COD and thus I presume the E-2. I've seen 90 degree AOB but unless there's a lot of effort, there is a lot of altitude loss and it's a very short duration.
 

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Not doing a high G break does extend Fatigue Life considerably. I remember seeing lots of 3 and 4G airframes in both the Tomcat and Intruder communities when they were trying to make them last as long as possible. One former CO serving as N88 RO even proposed not going to the break at all and doing straight-ins to perserve FLE (Fatigue Life Expended). He only mentioned it once.

Sure it's a life, but is it a life worth living?
 

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I've seen 90 degree AOB but unless there's a lot of effort, there is a lot of altitude loss and it's a very short duration.

Precisely what happened here....sometimes, doesn't matter how much G is available, it isn't enough to maintain level flight.

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Godspeed

His blood smells like cologne.
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Precisely what happened here....sometimes, doesn't matter how much G is available, it isn't enough to maintain level flight.

Sad stuff... Never seen this close up shot before, just the video. Any idea what that black spot is near the tip of the vertical stab?
 

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NATOPS says we can do "more" than 2g, but the Commodore wants 2g for Fatigue Life.

The Man's planes, The Man gets them flown how he wants.

You sure it is the Commodore? For Prowlers I thought it was NAVAIR that put the G restrictions on the planes.

Sad stuff... Never seen this close up shot before, just the video. Any idea what that black spot is near the tip of the vertical stab?

I think that is one of the hatches that gets blown before one of the seats can go, can't see any rockets from an actual seat. A B-52 explained that ejecting was a multi-stage process, old plane=old seats.
 

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Ok... I didn't even think for a second that it had ejection seats... Learn something new every day...
 
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