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Hornet vs F35

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
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I honestly cannot imagine what it is like to be selected as a Marine Hornet RAG stud in 2024. I'm surprised they're still taking folks. It seemed like an old (but pretty cool) platform when I was at VT-22 in 2014.

Yeah, 100%. I'm also surprised they are sending cones there. It isn't even a proper FRS at this point. An "FRD" that is piggybacked on a Miramar fleet squadron, albeit with a lot of the old names still associate flying.
 

Swanee

Cereal Killer
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Yeah, 100%. I'm also surprised they are sending cones there. It isn't even a proper FRS at this point. An "FRD" that is piggybacked on a Miramar fleet squadron, albeit with a lot of the old names still associate flying.
The FRD concept was hard enough to execute at the VMUs with the RQ-21. I can't imagine the ass pain it is with the fleet of old broken Hornets. The fight for who gets priority mixed with a fight for up airplanes must be a ton of fun.
 

Fins Out

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I find what Hotdogs said interesting; it’s something I’ve heard multiple times over the course of my career. When someone implies that the actions of a Marine are somewhat not in line with being Chesty Puller incarnate the immediate response is “what did the Marine do(insert non-consensual touching, petty theft, etc.) to you?

Seems a far cry from climbing cliffs and slaying dragons. The few, the proud, the…. felonious?

I would never think to respond saying something like “tell me when did the Pilot/NFO, OpsO, Big XO steal your identity, take out multiple unsecured high interest personal loans in your name, not make payments resulting in a default judgment trashing your credit score?”

This defense mechanism seems akin to a skunk raising its tail to fire for effect(in more ways than one!).

Help me understand this mentality!

Disclaimer: all of my bikes are present and accounted for.
 
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whitesoxnation

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Anyway, OP, go F-35Cs for sure. I have friends in both and the ones in Bs always say they wish they had the gas of the Cs. Never heard it the other way around (on any issue, not just gas).

This simple fact is so underrated. Gas = more flight time and more training opportunities. It's the difference between being able to knock a set or two out after a primary mission after others bingo out, or the difference of hundreds of hours of flight time over the course of a career if you can hang out longer.
 

Duc'-guy25

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Thanks for all the replies, they've told us there are only ~8 Hornet spots per year now so the odds look favorable.
First off, dude I am sorry this thread turned into an absolute shit show. I stand by if I were to turn in a preference sheet today it would be F-35C, F-35B, and then Hornet. I further emphasize that they are all good choices, and you will love flying all of these platforms. All three have their merits. Regardless of what is said here, you will be part of a Marine squadron doing Marine things wherever you go. I’ve been lucky so far and had a mostly fun career that hasn’t been derailed by staying in the wing. I still love flying gray jets, and leaving will be one of the hardest decisions of my life when I have to make it. My observation is that being in a TAI squadron is borderline transparent to the Marine Corps from what I have seen. If you’re worried about career progression, my counterparts that did their first fleet tour in TAI have all promoted or selected for promotion. Do EWS before your major board and it will be fine. I MEF Commander ran off with the Navy to be a TOPGUN instructor, and 2d MAW CG was almost exclusively a TAI Hornet dude and their careers are clearly fine.

How does the USMC manage that if they’re the same MOS and no AMOS for variants? Do they just keep track somehow in your personnel record?

While the MOS is agnostic between B and C, it is not super common for people to go back and forth between the two in the fleet just for funsies, It just really comes down to timing and needs of the service. Statistically we have more Bs than Cs so you can do the math. I don't think there's really any method to the madness, it is probably just fitting pegs into holes for the most part and whether or not the FRSs can support a conversion.

Not really. Anyone who’s done significant time on a LHD/A knows that F-35Bs and Harriers drive the airplan, because they’re the least flexible in terms of fuel, ship landings, and missions. Additionally the CVW is just as reliant on Airforce tankers as we are except for recoveries (plus other stuff). Maybe that will change with unmanned systems? VMFA and HSC lines largely dictate where and what type of airplan it can run.

…and again who basis a platform selection on this info? You’ll spend 5% of your career embarked with the CVW, and then rest of it on the same pain train the rest of Marine air is on. I don’t understand the fascination on it. If you wanted to fly off a CVN, then you should’ve joined the Navy.
Do everything you can to not get stationed in Yuma or Cherry Point. Miramar and Beaufort are way better from a QOL standpoint. Deployments are out of your control.

Lots of the info being passed here is through a CVW lens and not larger Marine Corps lens - so take it with a grain of salt. Particularly from those without L-class experience (which is most). Simply put, do you want to work with Marines or be relegated to a niche part of the Marine Corps that hangs out with the Navy? and the rest of the Corps doesn’t understand?



This a fundamentally flawed assessment…. or more likely, an assumption of what and how a ARG/MEU operates. Additionally there’s a good amount of pot calling the kettle black. Nor is it information that you should base a platform selection.

Dude, I’m not going to go into an extensive arguement about this on the internet. If you want to hash it out over a beer sometime, all for it. I will leave it at more fuel = more flight time per sortie, and new jet generally = not down in chocks or immediately dumping down to an acceptable recovery weight for those pesky warning and caution lights on takeoff. Flying off a boat that is exclusive to FW flying means you have more opportunity to launch and fly. Compare hours in any Marine FW squadron with those of our Navy counterparts and it is apparent because they fly their butts off on the boat. We are part of the naval service; fighting from the sea to control sea lanes and project power both ashore and back to the sea is what we have always done and will always do. Our roots are literally in surface actions. That's all I've got to say about that.

Have a great weekend everyone.
 
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JTS11

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Maybe one day. I still can’t read.
I was only told when I was flying to maintain a thing called Nr and get to a good airspeed in an emergency. The other dude could pickle some shit, if necessary.

Beyond that, if you get a bad caution light, just fucking land. (not to be applied over water or enemy territory)

No reading necessary. 😆
 

Hotdogs

I don’t care if I hurt your feelings
pilot
Dude, I’m not going to go into an extensive arguement about this on the internet. If you want to hash it out over a beer sometime, all for it. I will leave it at more fuel = more flight time per sortie, and new jet generally = not down in chocks or immediately dumping down to an acceptable recovery weight for those pesky warning and caution lights on takeoff. Flying off a boat that is exclusive to FW flying means you have more opportunity to launch and fly. Compare hours in any Marine FW squadron with those of our Navy counterparts and it is apparent because they fly their butts off on the boat. We are part of the naval service; fighting from the sea to control sea lanes and project power both ashore and back to the sea is what we have always done and will always do. Our roots are literally in surface actions. That's all I've got to say about that.

Have a great weekend everyone.

Dude this thread died a couple days ago. You’re not going to change my mind. I would go into further detail, but apparently facts don’t matter here, and for the sake of everyone’s sanity we should move on.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
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I was only told when I was flying to maintain a thing called Nr and get to a good airspeed in an emergency. The other dude could pickle some shit, if necessary.

Beyond that, if you get a bad caution light, just fucking land. (not to be applied over water or enemy territory)

No reading necessary. 😆
Interesting….my understanding of Nr is that when the helicopter stops going Nnnnnrrrrrrrr while flying, you’ve got issues. Things are so complex now.

Oh, sorry, my advice to the OP…go infantry.
 

JTS11

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Interesting….my understanding of Nr is that when the helicopter stops going Nnnnnrrrrrrrr while flying, you’ve got issues. Things are so complex now.

Oh, sorry, my advice to the OP…go infantry.
Just keep it around 100%, plus or minus a few...is what I was told.

Never really read the big book they called NATOPS. Copilot and crew briefs consisted of everyone putting their hands in the middle and breaking it down with a "1..2..3..NATOPS!". It was great crew coordination. 😆
 

ChuckMK23

FERS and TSP contributor!
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How awesome is this video! Very well done and highlights all the magic and coolness of F-35. How could you *not* chose JSF over a 4th Gen jet?

 
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