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USMC I fly 5 hours a month and I want out.

As others have said if hours are your endstate CNATRA should be your goal. I’ll add that to best enable that you must put your best effort forward even when the flight hours and quals are in a real famine period. That includes the collateral billets, which suddenly become a bigger deal than you’d like to imagine come CGRI. Nobody likes the dude with a chip on his shoulder about flight time when most everyone in the squadron is also hurting. I recognize that can be easier said than done (and I’m sure this post is mostly a vent and not how you’re actually talking in the ready room), but being a grouch certainly isn’t going to HELP your post-fleet aspirations.

Also, if it makes you feel better, I flew precisely 0.0 hours in my first three months at the squadron (right during the W-Z transition). Left a few years later with nearly 1500 total. Flight hour accrual isn’t a constant value.
Appreciate you seeing this post for what it is; just a vent. The only way to make the workplace better imo is to be a positive force, not grouchy.
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
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I was famous/infamous as a new PQM/H2P who constantly volunteered for FCF copilot and ground turn dude. It paid off.
You will get very good at checklists. Seeing the Marines troubleshoot will teach you about the aircraft as well.

Plus, if they see you’re willing to suck it up and do a dozen ground turns, they will probably hook you up to the extent they can.
 

whitesoxnation

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10-14 hours of collateral duties a day? I can believe it, and lived it. Any combination of bad/multiple collateral duties, program not being in good shape when you take over, inspection near, leadership that heavily emphasizes collateral duties, or not great help when you're supposed to have help = recipe for a lot of time not being tactical.
 

JTS11

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10-14 hours of collateral duties a day? I can believe it, and lived it. Any combination of bad/multiple collateral duties, program not being in good shape when you take over, inspection near, leadership that heavily emphasizes collateral duties, or not great help when you're supposed to have help = recipe for a lot of time not being tactical.
Alot of good points there. Everyone's probably experienced this to some degree in their shitty little jobs as a JO.

Looking back, if you're taking over a fucked up program, download the CGRI checklist and make steady progress towards it. Also, don't sign for anything that you didn't have eyes on, bc your buddy said it's all good (RO, CMCC, etc)
 

Hotdogs

I don’t care if I hurt your feelings
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10-14 hours of collateral duties a day? I can believe it, and lived it. Any combination of bad/multiple collateral duties, program not being in good shape when you take over, inspection near, leadership that heavily emphasizes collateral duties, or not great help when you're supposed to have help = recipe for a lot of time not being tactical.

What. Since when was the shitter community ever tactical?… Shitter dudes tried to give one my Huey buddies a flight lead check on an multi-ship dissimilar TMS admin pax movement… 😂
 

Swanee

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Appreciate the replies gents.

Here's my take: it might get better, it might stay the same, it might get worse. You have to make a decision based on what you see. Remember that the military will be done with you one day, hopefully you've got a family and friends still around the catch you and bring you back into the civilian world. The USMC will take everything it can from you.

When it's your time to leave, it's your time to leave.

The Guard is always hiring good folks.
 

JTS11

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What. Since when was the shitter community ever tactical?… Shitter dudes tried to give one my Huey buddies a flight lead check on an multi-ship dissimilar TMS admin pax movement… 😂
Hater 😁

I did my AMC check in a UH-1N support aircraft at WTI (a god awful setup to be in the back of one of those things trying to communicate)

Got back to Yuma, and they realized they TFOA'ed the crew door...somewhere...and it was on the tail rotor side.

Got another UH-1N story if you want to hear it. Also, a flight lead check on an admin flight while in the FRS that was one of the funniest/disturbing flights ive been on. Plenty of clowns to go around and shitter dudes are in the mix.
 

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
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Got another UH-1N story if you want to hear it. Also, a flight lead check on an admin flight while in the FRS that was one of the funniest/disturbing flights ive been on. Plenty of clowns to go around and shitter dudes are in the mix.

"Now that we have all 18 of us back in a room, lets talk about flight leadership"

lol

WTF is a "flight lead check"? You guys have to be fucking kidding here right?
 

Odominable

PILOT HMSD TRACK FAIL
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"Now that we have all 18 of us back in a room, lets talk about flight leadership"

lol

WTF is a "flight lead check"? You guys have to be fucking kidding here right?

Little bit of a difference in verbiage than what you’re accustomed to. In Marine rotary wing flight lead is a separate qualification from SL/DL and is specifically attached to large formation (5+) management essentially. Think big, battalion level insert. The generic “flight lead” is also used interchangeably in the traditional sense to describe the SL/DL in a 2/3/4 ship.
 

Hotdogs

I don’t care if I hurt your feelings
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WTF is a "flight lead check"? You guys have to be fucking kidding here right?

As mentioned above, typical H-1 FL checks are typically multi-division 12-16 aircraft check rides given at WTI. Usually involves CAS, DAS, FAC/A, DACM, and Escort all in the span of several hours. Typically it involves a battalion or higher sized of movement. Think initial air assault during Operation Moshtarak type of scenario.
 

JTS11

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As mentioned above, typical H-1 FL checks are typically multi-division 12-16 aircraft check rides given at WTI. Usually involves CAS, DAS, FAC/A, DACM, and Escort all in the span of several hours. Typically it involves a battalion or higher sized of movement. Think initial air assault during Operation Moshtarak type of scenario.
I'm not trying to Forrest Gump this thread. I participated in this insert. I believe it was the biggest heliborne assault since Vietnam. Inserted 2 Battalions...the air mission commander was an O-3 fairly recent WTI grad up in a C&C platform (did a great job)...his O-5 squadron CO was tucked back in dash-whatever...that fact is a different discussion.
 
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