Looking for gouge? Ask your Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation here (Part 1)

[Uncle Fester]

TINS...words, words, words...

Awesome story! Really impressed that the dude stuck with the jet. Just goes to show you, if the plane's still flyin', it ain't over yet.

Likewise impressed that they got it rigged that fast. My one-and-only (so far) skosh gas, below bingo, bent airplane night, we discussed taking the barricade, but figured we'd be long since comfortably floating in our liferafts, waving at the helo and swatting sea snakes by the time they had it rigged.

 

[Nose]

If I didn't ask questions then I wouldn't get to see your wisdom and old pictures. By the way....... what is the difference between attack and fighter aircraft? What do SSC, CV, CVE, CVL, CVA, CVAN, CVS, CVN, SSBN, ICBM, DDG, CG, and DCM stand for? A- is for attack, F- is for fighter, and F/A is for a combination of the two, right?

S.O.G.-

Homework: Look them up, if you can't find one of them get back to us. The thread is "Stupid questions about Naval Aviation." Not "I'm to lazy to look something up, will you do that for me?" I get enough of that at home...

 

[HeyJoe]

If I didn't ask questions then I wouldn't get to see your wisdom and old pictures. By the way....... what is the difference between attack and fighter aircraft? What do SSC, CV, CVE, CVL, CVA, CVAN, CVS, CVN, SSBN, ICBM, DDG, CG, and DCM stand for? A- is for attack, F- is for fighter, and F/A is for a combination of the two, right?

G O O G L E !

We're going to have to put you on a quota if you persist in asking 15+ acros in a post. Most of these are readily available on the web and in any decent lexicon of terms. Besides, whay are you asking about ICBMs on a Navy/Marine Corps site? You're going to take on some of the burden of your homeschooling yourself as Nose suggests.

 

[JIMC5499]

If I didn't ask questions then I wouldn't get to see your wisdom and old pictures. By the way....... what is the difference between attack and fighter aircraft? What do SSC, CV, CVE, CVL, CVA, CVAN, CVS, CVN, SSBN, ICBM, DDG, CG, and DCM stand for? A- is for attack, F- is for fighter, and F/A is for a combination of the two, right?

I'll take a crack at a few of these.

MOD NOTE: If you're not absolutely sure, do not answer "stupid questions".... a CV is an Aircraft Carrier (not "Carrier Aviation" except in direct translation of terms). Besides, this is SoG's homework for today.

 

[Uncle Fester]

Argh...okay, CVN (etc) is a designation, not an acronym or abbreviation.
"V" has been used since the beginning ('20's-ish) for heavier-than-air - "Z" was for dirigible/blimp squadrons. The C was a holdover from some of the first carriers that were converted cruisers (Langley was a converted coal-carrier, but was retroactively designated CV 1).

For the rest - 5 mins on Google, man, come on.

"Stupid questions about Naval Aviation" as in, I always wondered this, but couldn't find anyone to ask.

 

[raptor10]

If I didn't ask questions then I wouldn't get to see your wisdom and old pictures. By the way....... what is the difference between attack and fighter aircraft? What do SSC, CV, CVE, CVL, CVA, CVAN, CVS, CVN, SSBN, ICBM, DDG, CG, and DCM stand for? A- is for attack, F- is for fighter, and F/A is for a combination of the two, right?

Aircraft Carrier Listing for CV, CVB, CVA, CVAN, CVN, CVL, and CVE Designations

Aircraft for Amateurs

US Military Aircraft

 

[A4sForever]

Anyone remember what the "FASRON Salute" was???

Free beer for the first correct answer

Know what a FASRON is .... but to the "salute": Clueless unless it's your middle finger ... and since I usually buy the first round anyway I guess I win in a semi-twisted way ..... .... is it like the Mexican Air Force salute ???

 

[A4sForever]

TRANSLATION: .....there's nuthin' better than wavin' .....

You just broke your recently established record for longest post ever. One would hope you were able to cut & paste vice TYPE the thing. We're sending a meatwagon to your home. Now you're scarin' ME ...

*good stuff, by the way * ......

 

[schwarti]

Stupid question(s) about saluting - when a guard at the gate gives you the under arms salute (or whatever it's officially called, when he/she holds their hand chest-high parallel to the deck), what is the appropriate response? For a civilian? For a candidate who has not yet started OCS/is in civilian clothes?

Is it appropriate for a civilian to salute the ensign and OOD upon boarding a ship?

 

[A4sForever]

Stupid question(s) about saluting -

1. when a guard at the gate gives you the under arms salute (or whatever it's officially called, when he/she holds their hand chest-high parallel to the deck), what is the appropriate response? For a civilian? For a candidate who has not yet started OCS/is in civilian clothes?

2. Is it appropriate for a civilian to salute the ensign and OOD upon boarding a ship?

1. Semi-gray area, open to creativity. Since you evidently don't rate a salute, but rather a "you may pass" motion ... I suggest you nod, or say "hello" (assuming your window is down ), or wave in acknowledgment. Alll offered as a courtesy. Or do nothing, 'cept anyone can do that ....

2. No salutes from civilians. At the top of the brow, square off toward the Ensign (a pause -- toward the flag), square off toward the OOD, and ask for "permission to come aboard" ... if it's a Commissioned Officer, say "Sir" ...

Just my $20 worth ....

 

[schwarti]

Thanks, A4s.

 

[Flugelman]

Know what a FASRON is .... but to the "salute": Clueless unless it's your middle finger ... and since I usually buy the first round anyway I guess I win in a semi-twisted way ..... .... is it like the Mexican Air Force salute ???

For the young'uns... FASRON = Fleet Air Support SquadRON... Kind of like what AIMD's do (or did) at Naval Air Stations. They had pilots and maintainers qualified in most types of Naval aircraft used in their area at the time.

As for the "Salute", picture a very young and green Airman (me) at the counter in MC. Grizzled old Maintenance Chief (AMCM) asks "What's the status on the radar on 512?" Not knowing, I shrugged and replied "I dunno Chief." "Gimme another onea those "FASRON Salutes, Sailor, and I'll nail yer nuts to the counter! Now get the fvck over to the shop and find out!"

Lesson learned...


FASRON Salute = a shrug of the shoulders.

 

[JIMC5499]

MOD NOTE: If you're not absolutely sure, do not answer "stupid questions".... a CV is an Aircraft Carrier (not "Carrier Aviation" except in direct translation of terms). Besides, this is SoG's homework for today.

I'm sure that the information I provided was correct. If you want to edit my post because you want SoG to figure it out on his own fine. I have no problem with that. Don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I can back-up everything I posted with plenty of references and a direct quote from a member of my American Legion Post who we videotaped discribing his experiences on the USS Card in WWII.

 

[A4sForever]

..... Not knowing, I shrugged and replied "I dunno Chief." "Gimme another onea those "FASRON Salutes, Sailor, and I'll nail yer nuts to the counter!

....FASRON Salute = a shrug of the shoulders.

Then I DO WIN the BEER and you're buyin' ... as the FASRON salute has obviously been copied and is also known south of 'de Border as the "Mexican Air Force salute". Don't forget to turn the palms upward while shrugging ...

Salud, [SIZE=-1]Señor .....[/SIZE]:cowboy_12

 

[HeyJoe]

I'm sure that the information I provided was correct. If you want to edit my post because you want SoG to figure it out on his own fine. I have no problem with that. Don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I can back-up everything I posted with plenty of references and a direct quote from a member of my American Legion Post who we videotaped discribing his experiences on the USS Card in WWII.

Nope. If you go aboard a CV, you are flying aboard an Aircraft Carrier, not a "Carrier Aviation". You took the designations of various ships and provided the meaning of the designation letters without explaining what the ship was which isn't always clear. When you were in HS-15, did you say "I served aboard the Carrier Aviation Independence?"

If someone is trying to learn what the ships are, you befuddled the explanatiuon by being too literal. A CVE is an Escort Carrier not a "Carrier Aviation Escort" and a CG is a Guided-missile Cruiser, not a "Cruiser Gudied Missile". If you wanted to provide both explanations; great, but you didn't. Answers should clear things up, not confuse the issue.