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November 2010 Board

eas7888

Looking forward to some P-8 action
pilot
Contributor
Thats great you have someone actually doing their job. I'm looking into Marine Officer program now, seeing how inefficient the Navy recruiting station has been. My plan was to try to get my package to the board, if I was non select I would go Marines. But I haven't even been submitted to the last three boards, despite my recruiters telling my package was "complete" on numerous occasions. So I'm tired of pursuing the Navy, when its already apparent they couldn't care less about my circumstances.

Though it may seem easy to blame the OR, it really is an individual responsibility. If your package was not submitted due to an omission, or an error on your application, that really is an applicant's issue. Part of the application process is being able to fill out forms accurately. An applicant's inability to do this is a direct reflection on the applicant and not the OR.

I don't know your circumstances, and I won't pretend to, but here's the bottom line...If there was a problem with your OR giving you inaccurate or misleading information, you really should speak with their commanding officer. After the second time, you should have asked to speak with their CO, or NCOIC. Don't let their or your screw ups dissuade you from becoming a Naval officer, and remember that ultimately it is YOUR responsibility to ensure the packet makes it to the board.
 

GoVols1998

New Member
Eas, you are right, to an extent. My package was the same way. Every time I saw my old recruiter I made sure to ask"Is that everything? Do I need to do/sign anything else?" And every time, his answer was, "Nope, we are good." As it turns out, that wasn't the case at all, and if it hadn't been for the double checking by my new recruiter, my package would have already been sent back to me and I'd definitely be waiting until April. As it stands now, I will still probably have to wait until April b/c of oversight's by my old recruiter, but the new one has really went above and beyond to try to get me into November. Not only that, the old OR either had no idea how the waiver process worked, or just didn't care enough to put in the effort to get them completed. And to say that is the applicant's responsibility is a bit of a stretch seeing as how A) most applicants have no idea what they have to do for a waiver so you can't expect someone who has never done that before to be able to get all the details right and B) if an applicant expects to get a hold of a NRD CO, good luck. It took my new recruiter TWO WEEKS of constant phone calls to get the CO to look at my waiver and call me, and he didn't do that until about 30 minutes before packages were due. So a lot of COs probably wouldn't be that concerned with returning an applicant's calls, if it took that much for him to return a master chief's calls.

So Eas, I do believe it is about 95% applicant responsibility, but there are just some things you can't do/don't know how to do without the oversight of a willing recruiter.

Native, I looked into the Marine Corp officer program as well, but unfortunately for me, they have REALLY cracked down on visible tattoos on officers, and even though I have a really good package, the OSO told me it was doubtful I could get a waiver for the tattoo on my elbow that is the size of my open hand. I hope you have much better luck than me getting into their program.
 

nativeofsandieg

New Member
Though it may seem easy to blame the OR, it really is an individual responsibility. If your package was not submitted due to an omission, or an error on your application, that really is an applicant's issue. Part of the application process is being able to fill out forms accurately. An applicant's inability to do this is a direct reflection on the applicant and not the OR.

I don't know your circumstances, and I won't pretend to, but here's the bottom line...If there was a problem with your OR giving you inaccurate or misleading information, you really should speak with their commanding officer. After the second time, you should have asked to speak with their CO, or NCOIC. Don't let their or your screw ups dissuade you from becoming a Naval officer, and remember that ultimately it is YOUR responsibility to ensure the packet makes it to the board.

You can make it seem like its completely my responsibility all you want. But when someone guarantees things like, your package is complete, or that he/she will submit your package, or he/she looses paperwork. I'm not really sure how I could have any control over that. There was one issue with my JPASS that my OR explained to me was not a problem and he would work it out 5 months ago. Well, that "issue" that wasn't a problem caused my app to get kicked back in October. My recruiter didn't even know I wasn't submitted for September, I had to tell him after checking the names on the NY recruiting blog. I have two pages of documented screw ups from the NRD station, some applicants are lucky and get competent recruiters, some don't.

Having said that, the Marine Officer recruiting station actually return phone calls, their voice mail box is NOT full, and they provide helpful feedback instead of trying to push me into Surface Warfare. My experience may be rare, I grew up with my dad being a Tomcat Rio, but based on this experience alone, I see no future in the Navy simply because I can't even get my package to any board.

This may be a slight rant, and I apologize but I literally have done everything and anything my recruiter told me too. And I have worked my ass off for the past eight months with little to no help from anyone. But again, this is just my experience, everyone's is different.
 

nativeofsandieg

New Member
Native, I looked into the Marine Corp officer program as well, but unfortunately for me, they have REALLY cracked down on visible tattoos on officers, and even though I have a really good package, the OSO told me it was doubtful I could get a waiver for the tattoo on my elbow that is the size of my open hand. I hope you have much better luck than me getting into their program.

Thanks for the well wishes. Sorry about the tattoo, and I feel ya about your OR. The strange thing is that I literally had no hold ups, what so ever. No arrests, no convictions, no waivers, medically cleared, height, weight, ran the 1.5 in 10:30, and it has taken them eight months for them to tell me to wait another six months. I just don't get it, I'm not a recruiter, I don't pretend to know what it's like to be one, but I really just don't get it...
 

eas7888

Looking forward to some P-8 action
pilot
Contributor
So Eas, I do believe it is about 95% applicant responsibility, but there are just some things you can't do/don't know how to do without the oversight of a willing recruiter.

That's it, right there. Really, the recruiter's job is to answer your questions, do what the Navy requires of them, and submit your package to the processor. It's your job to be where you need to be when you need to be, and to fill out all of your documents accurately and expediently. Outside of that, if your OR/processor is failing you, it's also your job to ensure your packet is going where it needs to. Use the chain of command, it's there for this very reason, accountability.

Stuff. . .

Apparently you didn't understand the real gist of my comment. My point is that it's your responsibility if you really want to be a Naval officer. No other way around it. If you're having problems with that recruiter, you ask to speak to their boss. That's how the military works, it's called the chain of command. If you don't contact your recruiter's chain of command regarding these problems you're having, you're setting other applicants up for failure. Furthermore, if you really want to be a Naval officer, you'll roll with the punches and do what needs to be done. Don't let your experience with one person have that deep of an impact on your future.
 

nativeofsandieg

New Member
Don't let your experience with one person have that deep of an impact on your future.

Wish it was with only one person. I have done everything I could possibly do, but the point is that now I have to wait another six months for my package to be looked at. Which means I will work on my Marine package in the mean time...
 

mbraesicke

Ranger
I'm sick of missing boards due circumstances out of my control. Maybe you guys are right and the NFO board in April is a rumor. In the mean time, at least the Marine recruiting station actually picks up the phone...

Thought i'd weigh in here as i've had a bit of experience with bad ORs. I got pro rec'd SNA from the OCT board, but believe that wouldn't have been the case had I not switched recruiters. Basicallly the recruiter I was assigned to was in her last few months and half-assed my app/paperwork. She left out a LoR I received from my flight instructer AND a Navy flight instructor. She aslo sent my app up for SNA/NFO BDCP only, when it should have been SNA DA only. Apparently she left out a couple of necessary documents also, I don't exatly know what they were. My new recruiter had to spend a full day getting my paperwork in order, and said it wasn't any surprise I wasn't selected.

My point here isn't to change your OR because you think they're dicking around, its to keep on top of them to make sure they're not. I agree with what eas says, the majority of responsibility for making sure your app is submitted correctly is in your hands; get a checklist of everything that needs to be submitted and make sure you do your part and the OR does his part. That being said, there comes a point where your OR can really screw you if they just don't care, as mine did. Considering this is the future of your career I wouldn't heisitate to get a different OR, if you're right and he doesn't care if your app is seen or not then he shouldn't care if you get a different OR, less work for him. If he does get offended, tough titty, you're doing whats best for your career.
 

nativeofsandieg

New Member
Well I just obtained my entire package, SF86, all LORs, Transcripts, measurments, etc. So it is all in my hands now. I can basically do whatever I want with it, so no more excuses for not being submitted unless the new recruiter I give it too loses it, but trust me, this time I'm making copies!
 

GauchoWill

New Member
Native - I think I might be in the same boat as you. I applied back in March, was a non-select, and retook the ASTB so I could reapply, got another of LOR, and thought my kit was sent to an October Intel board according to my OR. when I kept emailing him asking if he'd heard anything from this "October Intel Board" he advised me that there wasn't one and that he was trying to submit me for November Intel boards. Of course he tells me this on Nov 3 as I'm boarding a plane to China...He said he thinks there might be some paperwork missing.

My question is how could I have gone through this already, been a non-select, provided a resubmit letter a new letter of rec, and the new application all for the october board and now, we're even not sure if we have everything for November's????

I honestly don't think anyone even saw my app in March now because apparently if something is missing they return it to the processor and ask for the missing paperwork so that it can then be resubmitted. I think sometimes they may just say that you were a non-select to avoid admission that there was an error on their part for not having you fill out something. I've started to realize what others have been saying: you gotta keep on these guys and keep asking if they've got everything otherwise you fall threw the cracks... Let's see if this squeaky wheel gets the grease this go around!
 

mbraesicke

Ranger
Native - I think I might be in the same boat as you. I applied back in March, was a non-select, and retook the ASTB so I could reapply, got another of LOR, and thought my kit was sent to an October Intel board according to my OR. when I kept emailing him asking if he'd heard anything from this "October Intel Board" he advised me that there wasn't one and that he was trying to submit me for November Intel boards. Of course he tells me this on Nov 3 as I'm boarding a plane to China...He said he thinks there might be some paperwork missing.

My question is how could I have gone through this already, been a non-select, provided a resubmit letter a new letter of rec, and the new application all for the october board and now, we're even not sure if we have everything for November's????

I honestly don't think anyone even saw my app in March now because apparently if something is missing they return it to the processor and ask for the missing paperwork so that it can then be resubmitted. I think sometimes they may just say that you were a non-select to avoid admission that there was an error on their part for not having you fill out something. I've started to realize what others have been saying: you gotta keep on these guys and keep asking if they've got everything otherwise you fall threw the cracks... Let's see if this squeaky wheel gets the grease this go around!

I was a non-select on the March board as well. Since March the Navy has changed the application and has required additional paperwork when submitting to the board (at least in my case). If your recruiter didnt give you a new application or any new paperwork to fill out you may want to bring it up.
 

GoVols1998

New Member
So I finally got the bad news that I will not be in November, and will have to wait until April boards, because my waiver has to go even higher than Millington (what's higher than that, the 5 sided building?). So anyways I guess I will use the extra months to just do more volunteer work, get good grades, and get a couple more LoR (I'm looking at the governor elect of TN and a former Navy captain/tomcat pilot). Good luck to everyone, you have 1 less competitor now.
 

nynativeviamo

New Member
<---------Active Duty Navy Fleet Applicant

This will be the first board i'm up for, been a long process, got my degree back in april, just now getting my package in. Board on the 15th, hopefully results back by turkey day. Any other Fleeters going up for the november pilot board?
 

Lucy

Member
I think it would be close to a miracle to have the results before T-day! That is only a week and two days later during a holiday week...would have to be some kind of record, but here's hoping!
 

nynativeviamo

New Member
Reults Date Prediction

Well last month the board was on the 18th which was a monday and the results were out the following thursday the 28th. This cycle the board is going to be on the 15th, a monday the following thursday is T-day, so i think it's within reason that the people at CNRC might be able to get them out a day earlier than last cycle.

I think it would be close to a miracle to have the results before T-day! That is only a week and two days later during a holiday week...would have to be some kind of record, but here's hoping!
 
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