Obama and Gays In the Military

[usmarinemike]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/10/obama.gay.ap/index.html

Here's one from the horse's mouth. All I have to say is he can change the policy to suit gay people if he wants to, but in the end, they won't like it, and we'll de facto go to what we have now.

 

[Kickflip89]

The interview comes after Obama was criticized by gay advocates for not speaking to the gay media.

Even the gays think the media sucks.

 

[phrogdriver]

My opinions on this have gone from "no queers, EVER," to "eh...whatever." I just think the Birthday Ball would be kind of freaky-weird if I saw two male Marines slow-dancing together. Other than that, I couldn't give two turds about it. The British have had gays in the service for years, and everyone still seems to think they're pretty bad-ass, esp the Royal Marines. Don't ask, don't tell has been a fairly reasonable compromise.

 

[FLYTPAY]

i think that repealing the current policy would lead to discipline/discrimination/leadership problems that we just don't need. The policy purely prevents gays that are in the military from being flagrant/obnoxious about it. It is always funny to see the "sweet" ones "act" like you can't tell. The lisp is a dead give-away.

 

[HuggyU2]

For me, it's a function of upholding a standard. And ethical standard. Dare I say it!... a moral standard.
What's next? Allowing beastiality?
Here's an idea: how about two male officers that want to get married? What then? And let's say they are brothers? What then?
It doesn't pass the standard. "Whose standard" you ask? You can argue that for a while. But for me, it doesn't float.

No offense,... long week,... and I'm well into a bottle of Cabernet.

 

[MasterBates]

Or having to live in confined quarters with a gay man. No thanks.

Will we have to have a THIRD set of berthing/heads on boats? Male, Female and OTHER?

 

[loadtoad]

Or having to live in confined quarters with a gay man. No thanks.

Will we have to have a THIRD set of berthing/heads on boats? Male, Female and OTHER?

That is the same thing I have always told my friends back home. No way it will work.

 

[scoober78]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/10/obama.gay.ap/index.html

Here's one from the horse's mouth. All I have to say is he can change the policy to suit gay people if he wants to, but in the end, they won't like it, and we'll de facto go to what we have now.

Let's not get too spun up here guys to forget that the President doesn't make this rule...

For me, it's a function of upholding a standard. And ethical standard. Dare I say it!... a moral standard.
What's next? Allowing beastiality?
Here's an idea: how about two male officers that want to get married? What then? And let's say they are brothers? What then?
It doesn't pass the standard. "Whose standard" you ask? You can argue that for a while. But for me, it doesn't float.

No offense,... long week,... and I'm well into a bottle of Cabernet.

I certainly see where you are coming from here...but your argument is a bit too much the reductio ad absurdum...on top of that, let's not forget that 60 years ago, "we" were having the same argument about the morality of integrating the "races" and allowing black sailors to serve on ships.

No simple answer to this I am afraid.

 

[MasterBates]

As much as my libertarian self does not want to care, my asshole's desire to stay an exit only (and having dealt with some militant gays in the past) does not want an open homo in my stateroom or in my shower.

Do I care what grown men to behind closed doors? NO.

Do I care that the guy who I am forced to live with in an area the size of a bathroom may want to stick it in my pooper? YES. And I don't care for it.

 

[scoober78]

As much as my libertarian self does not want to care, my asshole's desire to stay an exit only (and having dealt with some militant gays in the past) does not want an open homo in my stateroom or in my shower.

Do I care what grown men to behind closed doors? NO.

Do I care that the guy who I am forced to live with in an area the size of a bathroom may want to stick it in my pooper? YES. And I don't care for it.

Don't think that I do either...two things...

1) Somebody who openly solicits or attempts "unwelcome" sexual aggression...is gonna find themselves with bigger problems than the subject of their "attention". You know and I know that there are other ways of dealing with those who require attention...no legislation required.

2) My...or your, being uncomfortable with something, or someone, just isn't reason enough to exclude...Again...consider those who were uncomfortable with sharing drinking fountains, restaurants etc...with African Americans etc, etc, etc...

Edit...
Oh....and for the record....
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<------------------------------- Not Gay!

 

[MasterBates]

1- yeah, but getting guys to come forward who have been "harrassed/raped" is easier said then done.

2- Living in tight quarters, I don't want to have to be naked in the same space as a gay. Got my reasons.

 

[loadtoad]

Having a gay guy in the male showers is like sending a straight guy in the female showers. The straight males don't want a gay male there as the females wouldn't want a male there... well... most of them.

 

[FLYTPAY]

Or having to live in confined quarters with a gay man. No thanks.

Will we have to have a THIRD set of berthing/heads on boats? Male, Female and OTHER?

As much as my libertarian self does not want to care, my asshole's desire to stay an exit only (and having dealt with some militant gays in the past) does not want an open homo in my stateroom or in my shower.

Do I care what grown men to behind closed doors? NO.

Do I care that the guy who I am forced to live with in an area the size of a bathroom may want to stick it in my pooper? YES. And I don't care for it.

You hit the nail on the head. The objection to having a gay man in a male stateroom is the same arguement for not having men and women rooming together on the boat, or a restroom that both men and women go into. (imagine being in a restuarant taking a piss when some strange woman walks in and makes light conversation....reminds me of McGuires)

 

[utak]

In the training center for my previous enlisted rate (STG), two A-School students (one of them who was bragging to everyone that he was going to OCS) got a third guy (their classmate) intoxicated, then took turns having their way with him in the community shower.

The wide receiver said that he was under influence and he was taken advantage of, but the two ass pounders said it was consent.

All three got quickly (and quietly, as the Chain of Command didn't want this out in the open) discharged from the Navy.

And this is on a shore training command. Imagine what could happen aboard a ship.

P.S. Till the day he got seperated, that dude was still bragging to everyone that he was going to OCS.

 

[mmx1]

Having a gay guy in the male showers is like sending a straight guy in the female showers. The straight males don't want a gay male there as the females wouldn't want a male there... well... most of them.

The Brits have had co-ed showers in Iraq, and seemed pretty surprised how uptight Americans were about it.