Poll: U.S. Military Supports McCain 3-1 - Military Times

[Bevo16]

Really? Proof? Anything? Didn't think so.

Give......me.......a.......fucking........break........

OK. So, if someone was running for president and had signed on to the follow charter for 20 years, would you vote for him:


Commitment to the White Community
Commitment to the White Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the White Work Ethic
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

Probably not. In fact, you would probably think that he looks something like this:

If you study your history, or have read the book that I posted earler, you could easily come up with something Vladomir Lenin would like:

Commitment to the Soviet Community
Commitment to the Soviet Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Soviet Work Ethic
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Soviet Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Soviet Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Soviet leadership who espouse and embrace the Soviet Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Soviet Value System.

Would you vote for this guy:

Well, the problem is that those words don't come from a Grand Dragon of the KKK or Lenin. They are from Obama's church. Just replace white/soviet with "black" and it's a direct quote from Obama's church creed. They are the guiding principals that he followed for more than 20 years. They are racist in nature, and socialist in principal. No possible arguements. Don't even try.


http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric


If 20 years in a racist/socialist church does not qualify as proof, being friends with terrorists who are active socialsts, and advocating a tax policy to take money from the high performing members of society and "sharing the wealth" do not qualify as socialism in your book, then prehaps you need to look the word up.

 

[k_smittay]

If 20 years in a racist/socialist church does not qualify as proof, being friends with terrorists who are active socialsts, and advocating a tax policy to take money from the high performing members of society and "sharing the wealth" do not qualify as socialism in your book, then prehaps you need to look the word up.

If this seriously is your best argument... then are you just as critical of Palin's crazy church? Or is THAT ok because you like the republican ticket. Or.. maybe the fact that McCain has no history of being religious UNTIL he decided to get into politics. Your argument is so one sided that you sound like an extremist.

By YOUR thought process, should I be tried for war crimes if an insurgent is tortured in Afghanistan by another military member, even though I am a member of the military?

One word. Ridiculous.


Also.. I don't think I deserved the negative feedback you just gave me for having a simple debate. I am not a kid, I am a grown man with a family and almost 10 yrs of service. Question about your degree too, government? Or Political Science, because that is what my degree is in... they don't offer a degree in "government". (Feedback- Kid, I have read it. My degree is in government. You need to slow your roll.)

 

[bunk22]

Also.. I don't think I deserved the negative feedback for having a simple debate. I am not a kid, I am a grown man with a family. Question about your degree too, government? Or Political Science, because that is what my degree is in... they don't offer a degree in "government". (Feedback- Kid, I have read it. My degree is in government. You need to slow your roll.)

Okay ladies, keep this shit up and the thread goes bye-bye. Have issues with each other, keep in the PM realm.

 

[Bevo16]

By YOUR thought process, should I be tried for war crimes if an insurgent is tortured in Afghanistan by another military member, even though I am a member of the military?

One word. Ridiculous.

Agreed. You are ridiculus.

You also need to check and see if they offer any logic classes in Boulder. You are missing some important aspects if you trying to make an analogous arguement.

To answer your question. No, just being in the same service does not make you guilty by association. However, if you were in the same location of the torture and not only failed to stop it, but agreed with the person who was doing the torture for an extended period of time. Then yes, you are just as guilty.

They will cover this in your leadership and ethics classes. Keep studying. You have a long way to go.

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

I'm still waiting for Arnold Schwartzenegger to join the race. He still has about a week or so left.

 

[statesman]

Probably not. In fact, you would probably think that he looks something like this:

No... I would think he would be wearing a white hood. I dont trust racists that wear black robes.

 

[Flash]

Well, the problem is that those words don't come from a Grand Dragon of the KKK or Lenin. They are from Obama's church. Just replace white/soviet with "black" and it's a direct quote from Obama's church creed. They are the guiding principals that he followed for more than 20 years. They are racist in nature, and socialist in principal. No possible arguements. Don't even try.

If 20 years in a racist/socialist church does not qualify as proof, being friends with terrorists who are active socialsts, and advocating a tax policy to take money from the high performing members of society and "sharing the wealth" do not qualify as socialism in your book, then prehaps you need to look the word up.

Nationalization of industries, takeover of land and assets by the state, these are some of what constitutes socialism. Nowhere has Senator Obama advocated this, and the polls indicate that American public is not buying that argument either. Just like the vast majority of Americans don't believe the people who claim that the current administration is a facist one. And many churches of several stripes are big on rhetoric while quite a few members are short on action, just ask some of the guys I went to college with.

Making absurd arguments and throwing out wild accusations that Senator Obama is a closet commie and a fan of Karl Marx is undercutting legitimate arguments that many have against Senator Obama. I though the Economist article arguing for what Senator McCain should focus on the last two weeks of the campaign was a much more reasoned and realistic argument that the 'froth at the mouth' arguments that you are ranting on about.

I really wonder what some of you all are going to do if Senator Obama is actually elected. Will you spontaneously combust? Make for the hills? Try and start a revolution? I hear Cuba is nice this time of year.

 

[statesman]

/threadjack of current /threadjack

How was the military times poll conducted?

Thats mostly rhetorical because I doubt anyone actually knows. I ask it because if it wasnt collected scientifically it means absolutely nothing. Kind of like the poll in this thread, not that its not interesting but you couldnt use it as a statistic to make an argument. Just food for thought. The other poll mentioned makes me wonder if one of them, or both, is stacked in favor of a particular candidate.

 

[statesman]

Nationalization of industries, takeover of land and assets by the state, these are some of what constitutes socialism. Nowhere has Senator Obama advocated this, and the polls indicate that American public is not buying that argument either. Just like the vast majority of Americans don't believe the people who claim that the current administration is a facist one. And many churches of several stripes are big on rhetoric while quite a few members are short on action, just ask some of the guys I went to college with.

No, but he has advocated policy VERY close to that. He has mentioned a form of nationalized health care, his party generally accepts the supreme courts decision about imminent domain (the supreme court CAN be wrong) and although I dont know where he stands party line is the best way to determine how one votes in the US, and there are other socialist leaning practices Obama advocates.

Aditionally, I'm not a big fan of McCain's record on guns but I like it a WHOLE lot more than Obama's. Im not a one issue voter by any means but gun rights is probably my number one issue.

It doesnt matter either way, I vote in Texas, I'm writing in Ron Paul.

 

[Bevo16]

Thats mostly rhetorical because I doubt anyone actually knows. I ask it because if it wasnt collected scientifically it means absolutely nothing. Kind of like the poll in this thread, not that its not interesting but you couldnt use it as a statistic to make an argument.

Ever hear "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics"?

78% of all statistical research is done to give a biased view of a particular subject.

Not only that, but 85% of stats posted on the internet are totally made up a split second before posting. :icon_tong

 

[voodooqueen]

You might be able to call the recent SOFA negotiations between Iraq and the US, where the preliminary agreement calls for the withdrawal of US troops by 2011, as running, but there is nothing in Senator Obama's stated policies where he advocates withdrawal from Afghanistan. As a matter of fact, he wants to increase our presence there.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081023.CAMPAIGNSPEECH23/TPStory/International

So much for your 'facts', or is it truthiness?

I recall hearing Obama advocate moving troops into Afghanistan and over into Pakistan if need be (or maybe just lobbing some missles in that direction.)

It's no surprise to see that McCain is favored by retired military individuals--I mean, one cannot help but respect the man as showing integrity and honor under the worst circumstances. However, he does sound less animated and convincing when discussing solutions to the economy as opposed to military strategy.

Mc Cain may simply have shot himself in the foot when he chose Palin as a running partner.

 

[Bevo16]

Nationalization of industries, takeover of land and assets by the state, these are some of what constitutes socialism. Nowhere has Senator Obama advocated this...

Wrong.

Read up on Obama's energy policy.

Does "Windfall profit tax" sound familiar? What is he going to do with the money he steals from oil company share holders???? He is going to give it out to government organizations and other entities that are trying to research "green energy".

Stealing the assets and capitol of companies and private citizens and giving it to the government to create a competing government sponsored entity "for the common good" fits the De facto definition of socialism.

 

[Flash]

/threadjack of current /threadjack

How was the military times poll conducted?

Google is your friend:

Methodology

Article

 

[navy09]

How was the military times poll conducted?

They used email addresses on file to send the survey out to Military Times subscribers. They got about 8,000 responses. There were measures in place to ensure no one voted more than once.

Here's the errors I can see in their methodology:

1) Quasi-scientific (non-random selection)- They're using a sample of Military Times subscribers to represent the military as a whole. As was pointed out earlier, these people are going to be, on average, older and higher ranking. Over half of respondents identified themselves as retirees, meaning they're at least 38 yrs old (in other words, not many young people voted). This is probably the biggest cause for error in the sample...Obama is much more popular with younger people than McCain.

2) Non-response bias- By sending out a mass email and just taking whatever responses they get, only people who really care (one way or the other) are going to respond, so the data is more heavily influenced by outliers.

3) All demographics are self reported- This could skew the breakdown analysis (gender, rank, etc).

Sure, McCain probably gets more support from the military than the nation as a whole, but I find it very hard to believe that his support base is as large as this study suggests.

Source

 

[Flash]

No, but he has advocated policy VERY close to that. He has mentioned a form of nationalized health care, his party generally accepts the supreme courts decision about imminent domain (the supreme court CAN be wrong) and although I dont know where he stands party line is the best way to determine how one votes in the US, and there are other socialist leaning practices Obama advocates.

If his health care policy is what leads you to believe that he is socialist then you are sorely mistaken. He does not advocate nationalizing health care, which would be the government take over of health care, he advocates more government funding for it.

I don't think anyone argues the Supreme Court is always right, and I don't particularly agree with that decision either. And just so you know, it is eminent domain.