Brooklyn Bridge: $500 if you call before 10 pm. No shit. Call right now with a credit card and we'll throw in Cinderella's Castle for free.
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Power, wave off, abort, $#%$, Eject!
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Brooklyn Bridge: $500 if you call before 10 pm. No shit. Call right now with a credit card and we'll throw in Cinderella's Castle for free.
What do you mean by free? There are pattern wave-off's, foul deck wave-offs, wave-off's for wind, etc. In the end, a wave-off will save someones butt. Though a pattern wave-off will lower your grading average...but you'll be alive.
S-3s need not apply.. We never got those... More like Sugar calls of "Axial" or "Starboard" and then that was when paddles was "hooking" us up.. Nothing like the 'War Hoover' to ring in the bad deals!
And not even the upgrade.. Those "Blind Pig Fvuckers"!!! At least got the occasional SHOTB.. I think that was the shorthand.. Been a while!
MasterBates
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So when do we get issued this LSO-Speak Bat-Decoder ring jobbie?
After CQ?
After Nugget Cruise?
When you are UI?
After CQ?
After Nugget Cruise?
When you are UI?
It begins from your first Fam flight, and really kicks into high speed LSO talk/deciphering, during FCLP's and CQ, when you are sitting there after a period and 'charting' your trends trying to get ready for the next day.
Or perhaps we're talking "free" as it applies to field landings. I also remember hearing things such as "waveoffs don't cost you anything" in terms of being a ble to safely come around and try it again. Sure it takes time, burns fuel, etc., but overall they are still "free." At the field, no one will really bust your chops for taking your own waveoff (excluding FCLPs). In this case, they're "free." I guess I'm trying to put this in perspective from hearing it from the P-3 and helo bubbas teaching primary.
Yeah, just wondering... Obviously the reaction time for a helo is much longer than F/W, but even so, I've never seen a waveoff at the boat. Seen some scary passes and heard about waveoffs in extremis, but never seen the magic "wave it off early" tactic that I got in the HTs/FRS.
A wave off for wind? Never heard that one through 400+ CV traps. The ship won't (technically) trap you if the winds are out of parameters. I've landed in swirling winds and almost everyone in that cycle got an OK pass if you got aboard first time.
In jets, more than one waveoff at the field will earn a stud a below average or worse, so they're not free. And in jets, people will not bust your chops for taking your own waveoff, but they will bust your grade sheet for not putting yourself in a position to get aboard every pass.
Maybe the P3 IP's have a different mindset about it in primary.
It happens relatively often for the COD. Our WOD requirements are 25 kts plus any adjustment for density. The ship will barely make that (I would hope by choice more than capability), and so paddles will wave us off when we don't have enough to recover.
I think in primary they just want you to wave off an ugly pass early instead of trying to salvage a potentially dangerous landing. Gatordev probably has more insight into the instructional techniques
Being a helo guy, we don't get objectively graded on our shipboard landings, so this is somewhat foreign to me. Is it ever acceptable for a f/w pilot to wave themselves off while flying the ball?
Only if you want to be a permanent SDO or the LSO's butt boy for the rest of cruise.
The LSOs would always say that to the CAG or Admiral when they made a shitty pass. It used to piss me off to hear it when I was OOD and the wind was right down the angle. The Captain would laugh, pick up the phone and tell the Boss "Bull Shit, that was just a shitty pass. Tell Paddles to grow a pair." Of course when the Captain was flying, the LSOs gave him the same "courtesy" for his shitty passes....
I heard it a couple of times for the COD too. Those didn't bother me as much as you never pissed on the guy who was bringing your mail....
Like kmac said, we needed 25 knots over the deck. I call BS on the ship not trying to land you with winds out of parameters. I've take at least 2 of my own wave-offs for winds being out of parameters. I needed 25 knots to come aboard, so when I hear '99, 19 knots starboard' and no correction after making the call, I'm not coming aboard. It has been a while since my LSO days but even F-18's require a certain amount of wind over the deck with the S-3 requiring the least. I think it's so low that the ship normally is going to have the minimum requirement. The COD requires the highest.