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Random Griz Aviation Musings

PhrogPhlyer

Two heads are better than one.
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Here’s a nice video of everyone getting in on the drop gang back in 2014.
Won't see any Phrogs in this go around.
But glad to see NAVAIR being made available to help.
My family dealt with a significant fire near El Toro in the '80s while I was deployed.
Lot's of water dropped by 46s and 53s. No serious damage, except to undeveloped hills of Saddle Back.
I feel for all who have lost so much.
 

ChuckMK23

Standing by for the RIF !
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Impressive flyover!

In recognition of his naval service and presidency, Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornets conducted a 21-aircraft missing man flyover in his memory. The aircraft are from various squadrons assigned to Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach, Va.

The eight squadrons that participated in the flyover are the “Gladiators” of VFA-106, the “Checkmates” of VFA-211, the “Blue Blasters” of VFA-34, the “Fighting Swordsmen” of VFA-32, the “Rampagers” of VFA-83, the “Gunslingers” of VFA-105, the “Wildcats” of VFA-131 and the “Jolly Rogers” of VFA-103.


 

PhrogPhlyer

Two heads are better than one.
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Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm does bind the restless wave,
Who bids the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
O hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea.

O Savior, whose almighty word
The winds and waves submissive heard,
Who walked upon the foaming deep,
And calm amid the rage did sleep;
O hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea.

O Holy Spirit, who did brood
Upon the waters dark and rude,
And bid their angry tumult cease,
And give for wild confusion peace;
O hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea.

O Trinity of love and pow'r,
Your children shield in danger's hour;
From rock and tempest, fire, and foe,
Protect them where-so-e'er they go;
Thus, evermore shall rise to Thee
Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.
 

Gatordev

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Then one might argue, approach pipeline selection from a different aspect, and have then go straight to their fleet aircraft training squadron.
Why waste time and money on "training" aircraft, squadrons, facilities, support organizations, PCS moves, and myriad other costs associated with traditional training.
This way there is no learning curve issues going from training to fleet aircraft.

Because the CPF for a T-6, T-45, or -73 is much less than a F-18 or H-60, even after all those PCSesses.

Looks like HSC-3 is getting crews up to speed on Bambi bucket ops

In the past, SCORE picked up the bambi-bucket mission when HC-85 shut down/transitioned. Even with the SAUs gone, I'm assuming the SCORE Det is still at -3, since it's a CNO-funded program and that's who would be the lead.
 

ChuckMK23

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In the past, SCORE picked up the bambi-bucket mission when HC-85 shut down/transitioned. Even with the SAUs gone, I'm assuming the SCORE Det is still at -3, since it's a CNO-funded program and that's who would be the lead.

What is SCORE?
 

PhrogPhlyer

Two heads are better than one.
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Because the CPF for a T-6, T-45, or -73 is much less than a F-18 or H-60, even after all those PCSesses.
I do agree, but this is not what I was actually referring to.

The thread was discussing training in advanced cockpit training aircraft vs more traditional (and very low cost) training aircraft. Starting with smaller, low cost, and simple systems, allows for a focus on what it the most important part of initial training, the basics. Follow this with an intermediate training aircraft with advanced cockpits and systems. And then, to the fleet.

The current trend of advanced initial aircraft distracts from the basics, since from day one, the SNA is attempting to master an advanced avionics suite rather than mastering basic flying skills.

USN just spent $176M for 32 TH-73A ($5.5M). Compare this to the approx. $1M per TH-57.
The -73 isn't far off of a -60 (unit cost of the Army's UH-60L Black Hawk is $5.9 million while the Air Force HH-60G Pave Hawk has a unit cost of $10.2 million.). Seems the TH-73 isn't so low cost compared to fleet aircraft. Even the UH-1N only cost approx. $2.5M. The -73 is one dammed expensive primary helicopter. Especially when the Bell-505 costs less that $2M.

The T-6A costs around $4.3M and an F-18 ranges between $75M to $125M.
Supporting lower cost training aircraft.
 

ChuckMK23

Standing by for the RIF !
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I do agree, but this is not what I was actually referring to.

The thread was discussing training in advanced cockpit training aircraft vs more traditional (and very low cost) training aircraft. Starting with smaller, low cost, and simple systems, allows for a focus on what it the most important part of initial training, the basics. Follow this with an intermediate training aircraft with advanced cockpits and systems. And then, to the fleet.

The current trend of advanced initial aircraft distracts from the basics, since from day one, the SNA is attempting to master an advanced avionics suite rather than mastering basic flying skills.

USN just spent $176M for 32 TH-73A ($5.5M). Compare this to the approx. $1M per TH-57.
The -73 isn't far off of a -60 (unit cost of the Army's UH-60L Black Hawk is $5.9 million while the Air Force HH-60G Pave Hawk has a unit cost of $10.2 million.). Seems the TH-73 isn't so low cost compared to fleet aircraft. Even the UH-1N only cost approx. $2.5M. The -73 is one dammed expensive primary helicopter. Especially when the Bell-505 costs less that $2M.

The T-6A costs around $4.3M and an F-18 ranges between $75M to $125M.
Supporting lower cost training aircraft.
US Army is using the UH-72 Lakota as their primary trainer as well. There is a fairly disproportionate number of syllables flight hours dedicated to mastering the FMS and automation in the Initial Entry Rotary Wing Syllabus.

The AF advanced trainer is the TH-1H and it has been a success story since Day 1 - retaining the basic "hands on" flying qualities" - and retrofitted with an decent selection of avionics for dual-pilot IFR operations.
 

JTS11

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Yep: https://www.scisland.org/aboutsci/score-development-history.pdf

Besides having an active bombing range, San Clemente Island is also home to several formerly endangered species.
I know this from personal experience after we PEL'ed there on a small hilltop ar night as the marine layer rolled in. The next day there were biologists crawling around the area to make sure we hadn't damaged their habitat.

Apparently the area we landed at was also an ancient burial ground...who knew?
 
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