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Random Griz Aviation Musings

ChuckMK23

FERS and TSP contributor!
pilot
Up at Red Stewart airfield (40I) and these fuckers in the Cub are going at it! 19 degrees F. Hello Ice Man - Type I and Type iV fluid please!

Ballsy!

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ChuckMK23

FERS and TSP contributor!
pilot
Looks like Helo bubbas from NASNI -assume HSC - are coming to the rescue on LA fire situation.

Will they be doing night ops as well?

@hscs

 

hlg6016

A/C Wings Here
Professional AF C-130 crew flying a J model into Navy Whidbey @hlg6016

My time was before the J model. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around someone seating on his thumb there in the center seat. I'll have to listen to this again after I've had some coffee. The crew coordination at the end has me shaking my head.
 
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hscs

Registered User
pilot
Looks like Helo bubbas from NASNI -assume HSC - are coming to the rescue on LA fire situation.

Will they be doing night ops as well?

@hscs

Unfortunately, not tracking any of the ops out there.
 

PhrogPhlyer

Two heads are better than one.
pilot
None
From an airshow in the early 2010s where someone was thumbing through the NATOPS manual. Can get a sense of some of the differences.

That panel is just so much legacy 'suck'. Analog BDHI, 1960's era CDI (ID-351) is just absurd/obscene.

We suffered through this in the T-34C being instructed with backwards ass cockpit displays that included the RMI and CDI and seperate displays with yet another TACAN DME display.
The 46 NATOPS is dated 2009, and yes has what some of us would call a modern avionics suite.
As far as "legacy suck', that is a matter of opinion.
The T-34C was a luxury (digital and A/C) compared to the T-28C (which I wouldn't trade that flight time for anything).
OMG, RMI and CDI on separate displays?... wah wah wah.
I remember the 46 having an NDB (no not an ADF) with a BFO (beat frequency oscillator) that allowed you to move the antenna and listen for the null in a tone.
New, glass, digital, etc. etc. is great, don't get me wrong.
But you knew you had a handle on understanding the system when you could fly a holding panel with only one VOR/TACAN or ADF. Having to switch back and forth between the two stations that identified the holding fix.
My personal opinion is that the initial training aircraft should be a simple as possible, with the minimum of glass on the panel. Allow for learning to fly, not learning to fly the system.
Back in the '70s, even going from a TH-57A to a TH-1L (HT-8 the HT-18) was quite a transition, done in a controlled training environment.
Now the SNA spends as much time (maybe more) learning systems, rather than flying.
Yes I'm an old gray aviator, but basics are basics, and are best taught without glitz, glamour, and glass.
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
My personal opinion is that the initial training aircraft should be a simple as possible, with the minimum of glass on the panel. Allow for learning to fly, not learning to fly the system.

I can appreciate and agree about the idea of understanding fundamentals first, but given the jump in tech from the notional T-34 cockpit in Primary to what's now in Advanced and the fleet, it benefits the student to start them at a higher level so the jump isn't so great.

Back in the '70s, even going from a TH-57A to a TH-1L (HT-8 the HT-18) was quite a transition

And this illustrates my point (and I'd argue counters yours). Why make it such a jump when you're also making a fairly large jump to the next type of airframe (fixed-wing to helos, prop to jets, SEL to MEL, etc)?

I'm not a basics/fundamentals hater, by any means. For example I think we're getting too reliant on GPS on the tactical level (see: ASW). But I also don't find it particularly useful for studs to have to learn how to fly an ADB approach when that flight time could be spent of something more valuable.
 

taxi1

Well-Known Member
pilot
My personal opinion is that the initial training aircraft should be a simple as possible, with the minimum of glass on the panel. Allow for learning to fly, not learning to fly the system.
I've mentioned this before, but...gliders. Super cheap, easy to do in a minimal sense, no upper bound on doing well. Tons of stick and rudder. Energy management++. They learn formation flying (or catapults) from day one.
 

PhrogPhlyer

Two heads are better than one.
pilot
None
I think we're getting too reliant on GPS on the tactical level
I couldn't agree more. This was already occurring in the '90s.
Trying to get people to just fly a TERF route with a chart and looking outside (and no GPS) was like asking to replace coffee in the ready room with fruit juice.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
pilot
Contributor
Up at Red Stewart airfield (40I) and these fuckers in the Cub are going at it! 19 degrees F. Hello Ice Man - Type I and Type iV fluid please!

Ballsy!

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Come to New England…same cold, less snow…but howling winds that will keep any daring Cub pilot grounded!
 

PhrogPhlyer

Two heads are better than one.
pilot
None
it benefits the student to start them at a higher level so the jump isn't so great.
Then one might argue, approach pipeline selection from a different aspect, and have then go straight to their fleet aircraft training squadron.
Why waste time and money on "training" aircraft, squadrons, facilities, support organizations, PCS moves, and myriad other costs associated with traditional training.
This way there is no learning curve issues going from training to fleet aircraft.
 
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