Saluting

[snizo]

Flyin - A 2nd and 1st class are of a similar grade and while one might have more authority in the division, they would rarely pay attention to the particulars of military bearing and courtesy for eachother unless it was really necessary - and would you expect them to? If you saw two admirals (a 1 star, and a 2 star) walking past eachother and shaking hands and talking instead of one snapping to attention and saluting the other, would you be less willing to follow their orders and show respect? Of course not.

So how are O-1 v O-2 different? The line between E and O is a lot bigger than the line between O1 and O2. I know it is technically correct, but they aren't trying to say that they dont respect eachother, they just realize they are in similar positions (just like the E5 v E6).

As for the E's seeing it happen ... how would they know that the two haven't saluted their one time for the day already?

 

[Sabre170]

As far as correcting anyone on their salutes... If you are too much of a coward to correct a Staff Sergeant or a 1st Class PO or higher enlisted rank, than don't be the bully going around picking on the E-1,2,3s.

 

[jamnww]

As far as correcting anyone on their salutes... If you are too much of a coward to correct a Staff Sergeant or a 1st Class PO or higher enlisted rank, than don't be the bully going around picking on the E-1,2,3s.

agree...of course I don't remember ever seeing a Staff Sgt blow off a salute, but its early yet...

 

[FlyingBeagle]

I'm just curious: when did we decide that O-1s through O-3s dont have to salute each other. About the 1 star and 2 star, do they not have to salute just because they're admirals, or is it ok for an O-3 not to salute an O-4 because there is only one rank difference (I understand that O-4 is the first rank that isn't pretty much automatic, but still. Also, if these "rules" only apply to Navy pilots, do I have to salute O-3s who are SWOs, or in the Air Force, Army or Marines? I've heard people say before that they won't salute a Navy LT, but they'll salute a Marine Captain because they're afraid of getting chewed out.
To me that seems both cowardly and disrespectful to the LT. If I'm not going to salute someone that I know and respect in my own chain of command, why should I salute someone I don't even know. When I was stashed the LT told me not to call him by his first name and not sir. Since he told me to do so, it seems disrespectful not to, but in public I always called him sir and saluted.
I know that JOs work closely together, are good friends and there isn't much difference in the rank, but why can't we show each other respect? I don't feel like less of a man because I salute an O-2. In fact, it seems to me that the man with more self respect would be more willing to show respect for others. I would never get on a junior JO for not saluting me, but I don't see why an Ensign should be laughed at for saluting a LT. Does this make sense to anyone else, or could someone straighten me out here?

 

[squeeze]

jesus
you'll figure it out when you get to a squadron if you make it.

 

[trvsmrtn]

Flyingbeagle, when I said that at the squadron I was with, that the JO's tend not to salute each other, it's not something I saw and made an assumption about. I was told not to salute the other JO's in the squadron by the other JO's in the squadron. I'm aware of the regs, and I'm all for military courtesies and protocol, but I'm sure this has to do with the comraderie and unity among the JO's. I'm not saying this is the case with every squadron, but I think it best to find out the practices at your squadron when you get there.

I'll post this again for you FlyingBeagle.

 

[zab1001]

Seriously, say it with me:

JOPA

JUNIOR OFFICERS PROTECTION ASSOCIATION

This isn't fvcking rocket science. Salute your IPs. Salute other servicemembers that outrank you. When you see another JO with wings (or student in your case), say "What's up". It's about brotherhood man, get the stick out of your as$.

 

[snizo]

The modern Navy isn't exactly like the Army in Band of Brothers. No one calls 'attention on deck' for an O-3 anymore...

 

[skidkid]

The modern Navy isn't exactly like the Army in Band of Brothers. No one calls 'attention on deck' for an O-3 anymore...

Ever been to an Infantry Battalion? Attention on deck is called for Company Commanders, LCpls are at attention when they talk to Corporals. Im guessing the higher standard of customs and courtesies is directly proprotionla to expected enemy proximity. If the community in question can realistically expect to be in a bayonet fight the discipline is a little more overt.

I actually think that in some ways the Navy seperates the Offcier from Enlisted more than any service. They dont eat together at all, they dont live together on ship. The discipline is there it is jsut different for the different missions.

 

[jamnww]

Does this make sense to anyone else, or could someone straighten me out here?

When in doubt wip it out...other than that you will figure it out when you get out there...

 

[LSUMarine]

The modern Navy isn't exactly like the Army in Band of Brothers. No one calls 'attention on deck' for an O-3 anymore...

Unless you're in the make believe world called TBS...

 

[skidkid]

Unless you're in the make believe world called TBS...

I dont think the Navy really exists in that make believe world.

 

[jamnww]

Unless you're in the make believe world called TBS...

That and OCS...

 

[Fly Navy]

I dont think the Navy really exists in that make believe world.

LOL nice

I have a feeling some won't understand that though...

 

[TurnandBurn55]

I'm just curious: when did we decide that O-1s through O-3s dont have to salute each other....

While I'm tempted to echo squeeze's comments, the short answer is that it stems from the 'no rank in the cockpit' concept. After your first half million CRM/ORM lectures, you'll get it... you can't be afraid to tell the dude in the front seat that he's jacked up because of his rank... so the aviation community tends to have a more relaxed attitude...

Does that mean an O-3 doesn't salute an O-4? I'll leave it to the operational guys to comment, but there's an important difference in the analogy, and that's that a LCDR probably has a ground job as a Dept Head, so he has officers actively working for him...

Do I still render military courtesies to a Marine O-3? Yeah, till I'm told otherwise, and it has nothing to do with 'being afraid of getting chewed out'. You respect the customs and courtesies of the different communities and different services. Just because we do it slightly differently in one community doesn't mean that applies universally...