Space Force Officer Relieved After Denouncing CRT/Marxism

[Python]

Again, I’m still not understanding why being exposed to CRT poses any risk to anyone. From my own perspective, knowing that some people I interact with may subscribe to the ideas in CRT helps me communicate with them more effectively, and ultimately be a better leader, which is presumably why the CNO put it on the list in the first place. Some of you are acting like this book will now be the basis for OPNAV policy, again, silly.

I reject the radicalization argument as well. The internet is full of CRT content. If someone wants to dive down that rabbit hole, they hardly need the CNOs list as a springboard.

The radicalization and culture shifting that CRT would cause is of course not tied solely to the CNO's list. The concern is that it has now worked its way into higher education, K-12 education, corporate America, and the mainstream media. One would have thought that the military would've remained agnostic on this topic, but seeing the CNO have it on his list dispels that notion, which is concerning. Again, K-12 education, and troops that are fresh out of high school, have the potential to be more impressionable than older and more mature people. I know I was.

It's not so much about subverting the military by some people being radicalized (though the article in the OP's first post alleges that), it's about the American society at large. And now, we are seeing the military is one more institution to get involved. No, I don't mean involvement like basis for OPNAV policy. That is stupid. But it does give cause for concern.

 

[Pags]

You really are trolling me, right?

I posted several quotes from the book already. Ones that say capitalism is racist and racism is capitalist. I.e., only capitalist societies are racist and all capitalist societies are racist. The logical conclusion then is that we must rid ourselves of capitalism.

I never made anything close to the ridiculous arguments you're putting in my mouth. But if you can't argue with my actual points, you create a straw man to destroy. Same tactic I see you use over and over again. I'm tired of repeating myself.

Since you haven't read the book how were these particular quotes brought to your attention? Is it possible that there's larger context in the entire book?

 

[Python]

Something else worth considering is that this book is much easier to grasp, understand, and internalize than something like Starship Troopers. No interpretation of subtext or analysis is required. It is written clearly and explicitly.

For those that would want to play the “I rEaD sTaRsHiP tRoOpErS aNd I’m NoT a FaScIsT” card. This is vastly more accessible.

edit: I have read excerpts of this book at a family members house. Not the whole thing. I have read white fragility. Both have CRT ideology in their core.

 

[Jim123]

grasp, understand, and internalize than something like Starship Troopers.

Kinda like most other space/futuristic sci-fi when the author uses some political themes to keep the story more interesting than just another adventure shoot-em-up, like Ender's Game, anything Star Trek (starting with having a Japanese guy and a Russian guy as main characters, that was a big deal in the sixties), both Battlestar Galactica series,* probably a few more I'm forgetting. There's a spectrum there from cerebral stuff on down to mostly entertaining and only mildly political.


* but not 1980, lol, I wonder how many people on this forum have no idea what that is

 

[taxi1]

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this book is much easier to grasp, understand, and internalize than something like Starship Troopers.

Starship Troopers is some 5D chess, right there.

 

[Brett327]

But it does give cause for concern.

Do you really worry that this will somehow seep into American culture, turning it Marxist... or something closer to Marxist than the status quo?

 

[Python]

Do you really worry that this will somehow seep into American culture, turning it Marxist... or something closer to Marxist than the status quo?

Gradually, yes. If it takes hold, then in a generation or two. It starts with young people.

As with most (major) cultural shifts, people felt that “it couldn’t happen,” and then it did. And it did because it had help by the people who said it couldn’t happen; those who felt the bedrock and foundation of society and culture was too strong to be overcome.


“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

Ronald Reagan


I do worry. I don’t wear tinfoil hats. I don’t listen to Alex Jones. I’d consider myself center-right. But this has me worried, and I’m far from alone.

 

[Pags]

Honest question: when did Marxism become a Boogeyman again?

 

[Python]

Honest question: when did Marxism become a Boogeyman again?

Probably somewhere between Feeling The Bern and CRT going mainstream. Only my guess. Don’t know for sure though.

 

[Brett327]

Gradually, yes. If it takes hold, then in a generation or two. It starts with young people.

This is pretty much the same mindset of the red scare in the 50s and 60s.

 

[RoarkJr.]

Honest question: when did Marxism become a Boogeyman again?

When children’s cartoons teach them they’re racist. Watch Cartoon Network and the commercials they air. When “white boys” of adult age are made to stand in “history” class to show everyone who has historically had privileges in this country. When avowed Marxists lead one of our nation’s most divisive and sinister political groups (BLM), and are allowed to paint that symbology on the streets of Pensacola. I think it takes a bit of head in the sand or an honest disconnect with cultural trends, as well as the philosophies that underpin them, to not see what’s going on. And that’s not even talking about China and they’re weaponization of those political ideas against us.

I genuinely hope it’s just a boogie man though. But the evidence doesn’t show that.

 

[taxi1]

Gradually, yes. If it takes hold, then in a generation or two. It starts with young people.

What if they use all of the processes and tools in our constitutional system to get there? If it is the will of the people, as exercised through the Democratic process?

I'm not a fan in general of the CRT stuff, but if the process follows the constitution... It is that process that you and I swore an oath to defend, not a particular outcome.

 

[Python]

This is pretty much the same mindset of the red scare in the 50s and 60s.

The red scare. Sure.

Except in the 50s and 60s they didn’t have the internet and social media. And the US society at large also had recent memory of the evils of some of the worst regimes in the world. (Edit: society at large back then considered Marxist ideas evil. Polling today shows the highest levels of support). The analogy fails. I’d say this time is different (and that it’s obvious), but I’d hate for you to just dismiss me.

At some point, given enough red scares, one could hold true….especially if people dismiss the threat by saying “we’ve seen this before” and thus leave their guard down.

I don’t think you’re right, but I hope you are.

 

[Python]

What if they use all of the processes and tools in our constitutional system to get there? If it is the will of the people, as exercised through the Democratic process?

I'm not a fan in general of the CRT stuff, but if the process follows the constitution... It is that process that you and I swore an oath to defend, not a particular outcome.

Sure. Thought experiment: If through the will of the people and legitimate constitutional process, an amendment is passed to the constitution repealing the first amendment….should we just accept that because of the reasoning you provided? Again, it’s just a thought experiment so don’t go taking it too literally.

 

[Pags]

When children’s cartoons teach them they’re racist. Watch Cartoon Network and the commercials they air. When “white boys” of adult age are made to stand in “history” class to show everyone who has historically had privileges in this country. When avowed Marxists lead one of our nation’s most divisive and sinister political groups (BLM), and are allowed to paint that symbology on the streets of Pensacola. I think it takes a bit of head in the sand or an honest disconnect with cultural trends, as well as the philosophies that underpin them, to not see what’s going on. And that’s not even talking about China and they’re weaponization of those political ideas against us.

I genuinely hope it’s just a boogie man though. But the evidence doesn’t show that.

As a guy with kids I haven't seen this happening. Also, who watches commercials? I havent heard of any of my friends' HS kids having to do this.

Are you sure there aren't people out there trying to convince you that that pile of clothes is in fact a Boogeyman? Maybe you're being fed a divisive line that benefits others?