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Space Force Officer Relieved After Denouncing CRT/Marxism

Python

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As a guy with kids I haven't seen this happening. Also, who watches commercials? I havent heard of any of my friends' HS kids having to do this.

Are you sure there aren't people out there trying to convince you that that pile of clothes is in fact a Boogeyman? Maybe you're being fed a divisive line that benefits others?

No. This is happening. Maybe not near you, but it is. You can easily find corroborating information on your own.
 

taxi1

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Sure. Thought experiment: If through the will of the people and legitimate constitutional process, an amendment is passed to the constitution repealing the first amendment….should we just accept that because of the reasoning you provided?
By “reasoning you provided” I assume you mean the amendment was proposed with approval of 2/3rds vote of both the Senate and House each, and then ratified by 3/4th of the state legislatures. If so, then yes, of course.

We either adhere to the constitution and our processes or we don’t.
 

Python

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By “reasoning you provided” I assume you mean the amendment was proposed with approval of 2/3rds vote of both the Senate and House each, and then ratified by 3/4th of the state legislatures. If so, then yes, of course.

We either adhere to the constitution and our processes or we don’t.
Yes. That is what I meant. Well agree to disagree. I understand the concept of supporting things I don’t like, but I guess there’s a limit for me. I hold the ideals more sacred than the constitution (which I do hold sacred and does embody those ideals). In a thought experiment where the first amendment were repealed, or the 13th (I think that’s the one that ended slavery) were repealed, all through the democratic process….I think that’s out of bounds. Again, thought experiment. Agree to disagree.
 

Griz882

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From an academic point of view, Critical Race Theory is a dangerous concept. It is, quite frankly, as dangerous as National Socialism and genuine (not cartoon, social media) Fascism. Forget the comical “red scare” aspects of Marxism, CRT simply borrows the adjunctive language and narrative tools of Marxism to shift young minds. CRT is a story you can not interrupt and a “truth” you can not deny. Indeed, it is the height of actual racism and we are taking a giant step backward in human relations. True CRT advocates state, quite clearly, that race is the only construct that matters in life therefore there are no “individuals.” To quote the author of White Fragility, “The ideal of individual autonomy that underlies liberal humanism (the idea that people are free to make independent rational decisions that determine their own fate) was viewed as a mechanism for keeping the marginalized in their place by obscuring larger structural systems of inequality. In other words, it [free society] fooled people into believing they had more freedom and choice than societal structures actually allow.”

These are not ideas that are good for any people who want to strive for actual equality. I fear day (and it is not far coming) when a squadron commander who has one type of skin tone can’t punish an enlisted person who has violated the UCMJ because they have a different skin tone...and of course, the commander is part of the repressive power structure of institutionalized racism. Now, does all of this mean we can’t read about it? Of course not. Should the CNO give his passive approval of such theories by adding them to a recommended reading list? Of course not.
 

Python

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By “reasoning you provided” I assume you mean the amendment was proposed with approval of 2/3rds vote of both the Senate and House each, and then ratified by 3/4th of the state legislatures. If so, then yes, of course.

We either adhere to the constitution and our processes or we don’t.

I would say that my above answer is rooted in this philosophy:

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and provide new Guards for their future security."


The Declaration Of Independence

I am not advocating the overthrow of the government (just so everybody knows when my SF-86 is due).
I am saying that philosophically, I agree with the founders. If through legitimate means and the will of the people, the constitution were amended with immoral changes, that would cost freedoms and increase suffering…it would be our duty to reject that.
 

taxi1

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Your hypothetical was pretty hypothetical. Up there with an amendment to make soylent green legal.

Here’s a thought experiment on the constitution hitting closer to home...

If you had an elected official lose an election but refuse to step down, and the legislature refused to certify the winner’s victory, and you liked the loser’s policies over the winner’s, what would you do?
 

Python

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Your hypothetical was pretty hypothetical. Up there with an amendment to make soylent green legal.

Here’s a thought experiment on the constitution hitting closer to home...

If you had an elected official lose an election but refuse to step down, and the legislature refused to certify the winner’s victory, and you liked the loser’s policies over the winner’s, what would you do?

Id rather your experiment were more relevant to the threat that an ideological shift to Marxism poses…like mine was regarding loss of freedoms.

But with regards to your irrelevant (and way lower stakes) experiment, I would support the process of the constitution and the will of the people.
 

Python

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This whole “K-12 educators are indoctrinating our youths with their radical left agenda” nonsense has about as much credibility as the UFO thread. This is another GOP fantasy.

I really think you’ve been detached from what’s going on. Giving this the same credibility as aliens is irresponsible, and frankly your dismissal of it and tunnel vision of “it just can’t be true” is harmful in the aggregate. You’re saying the DoD at large would be good to open their minds and consider all perspectives…I’d advise you to consider following that advice yourself.

Unlike aliens, you can corroborate the K-12 CRT in education on your own. I’m not going to flood airwarriors with ten thousand links. But 10 minutes of researching on your own can give you a start. You could also go on YouTube and search for recent school board meetings and elections that have been filmed all over the country.

Before you condescendingly dismiss somebody, fight fair and look into the topic.
 

Mirage

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What if they use all of the processes and tools in our constitutional system to get there? If it is the will of the people, as exercised through the Democratic process?

I'm not a fan in general of the CRT stuff, but if the process follows the constitution... It is that process that you and I swore an oath to defend, not a particular outcome.

How do you imagine it's possible to bring about a Marxist revolution under the confines of the constitution? The amendment to the constitution would have to be almost a complete rewriting of it.

It would have to be similar to the playbook Hitler used to install Fascism. Win an election, then completely throw out the old system and install a new one. Sure, the election might happen according to the constitution, but the constitution we swore to protect would be gone. That would mean we failed to protect it.
 

robav8r

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This whole “K-12 educators are indoctrinating our youths with their radical left agenda” nonsense has about as much credibility as the UFO thread. This is another GOP fantasy.
Brett, you could not be any more wrong, misinformed or ignorant. Come on out to Fairfax and Loudoun County and spend some time with parents of K-12 children who are experiencing this. You don't have kids, do you? Also, CRT and systemic racism conversations are alive and well in organizations like DLA, DTRA, DHS, HHS, etc. I think even you would be surprised at the subtle emails, calendar invites, required training, Diversity & Inclusion luncheons that leadership "highly supports" and is ongoing routinely.

I agree with the sentiment that there is nothing wrong in exposing our population, and military force to different points of view and different narratives about our history, but when the focus of that conversation/narrative is about how evil/wrong/racist America is, that's when I, and I suspect many others, tune out completely. Educate and inform me, but don't denigrate the greatest country in the history of the world.
 

Pags

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Brett, you could not be any more wrong, misinformed or ignorant. Come on out to Fairfax and Loudoun County and spend some time with parents of K-12 children who are experiencing this. You don't have kids, do you? Also, CRT and systemic racism conversations are alive and well in organizations like DLA, DTRA, DHS, HHS, etc. I think even you would be surprised at the subtle emails, calendar invites, required training, Diversity & Inclusion luncheons that leadership "highly supports" and is ongoing routinely.

I agree with the sentiment that there is nothing wrong in exposing our population, and military force to different points of view and different narratives about our history, but when the focus of that conversation/narrative is about how evil/wrong/racist America is, that's when I, and I suspect many others, tune out completely. Educate and inform me, but don't denigrate the greatest country in the history of the world.
I have kids and haven't seen it.
 
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