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Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation (Part 3)
- Thread starter Top_Gun_1_0_1
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Ah, fuck it. Touché, you are all correct. I didn't mean to break out the ruler, and obviously I was erroneous and basing my observation on my limited experience. I stand corrected and all that happy horseshit.
Well, having flown both......sure, whatever. Eh, we'll both be replaced by Otto in a few years anyways.
VT doesn't equal stupid. I've been in the Navy as long as most junior O-4s and have operated with several different communities...broad generalizations about responsibility levels across communities are always going to be wrong no matter what rank you are.
Unless you have just forgotten to update your profile, I would humbly like to suggest that you get the chip off your shoulder and swallow a little humble pie. You have a lot to learn before you go shooting your mouth off. Being a cone in vt-7 doesn't equal being a seasoned fleet aviator. I am guessing that you haven't done shit...at night...on NVGs...in the wx.
This isn't a rhetorical question, as my CAS experience is with only guns in close and not dropping bombs, but in your community when you get a 9-line are you saying that you still go through the valid targeting decision tree even though the JTAC has already vetted it a valid target? The way I am understanding what you are saying is that you even if you guys get a target from a JTAC you still have to ask if you can still drop?
Of course, I know everyone will still actually look at what they are shooting/bombing to make sure they aren't blatantly violating ROE, i.e., engaging on visually identifiable unarmed individuals. In my mind, that is secondary as the JTAC has already gotten approval.
No chip...but I do have 300 hours of NVG time...most of it in pretty decent weather though.
Whatever bro. Keep digging. I stand by my statement. You have a lot to learn and being "that guy" who shows up to his first squadron with the know it all attitude because of what they did when they were enlisted will not earn you a good rep. But I am just a stupid TACAMO guy, what do I know?
Read your profile, and respect your flight time and experience in the helo. That said, take the advice of others and STFU. Shooting the gun out of the helo is much different than taking the responsibility for giving the order to shoot. You may not understand that now but you will soon. Your comment may or may not have had a grain of truth but just because you've been a helo crewman doesn't mean you're a bomb dropping jet pilot, yet.
Cracking on a winged guy's platform, regardless of whether you were trying to be funny or not, will rub people the wrong way, especially coming from someone still in the training command.
If you were a helo crewman, then for the sake of your tacair integration, you have forgotten everything you ever learned about flying in that job.........shockingly, it only takes one call for the rest of us to taxi/takeoff/get cleared for an approach/etc, not 48 minutes of trucker comm and confusion 
(donning flamesuit from helo bubbas)
(donning flamesuit from helo bubbas)
Really? I thought that was a given?
I was trying to point a pretty distinct difference in how two separate parts of Naval Aviation work, both of which I actually do have experience in. It wasn't a broad generalization either, and I already noted that dropping ordnance is probably the biggest responsibility of all in Naval Aviation so yeah........ Unsurprisingly it got into a measuring contest where apparently you can't even talk a little trash about studs in clown jets since that is just mean!
How many times have we pointed out on this site that everyone who wears gold wings has an important role? It doesn't matter if you are flying rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong, flying Marines to a firefight or if you are dropping bombs on evildoers we are all support in the end anyways, for the soldier or Marine slogging through the mud on the ground. The ironic part is the guys and gals that we make some of the most fun of here, 'flying' drones out of Las Vegas, have probably had just as much if not more of an impact in the wars of the last decade than the rest of us here, all the while eating cheese puffs and sleeping in their own bed every night.
So are we all happy now that we are all awesome in our own, non-offensive but very accepting way that embraces our unique differences as well as celebrating them at the same time?
Didn't think so. Fuck you all then, I'm the greatest!