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Stupid questions about Naval Aviation (Pt 2)
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From memory .... the A-6 in all variants had @ 16,000 internal and 10,000 in the drops/tanks .... soooooo, that would be @ 10,000 "to give" on a 1.5 hour cycle ... I should have this down cold, but I don't remember anymore .... which is nice, as I don't 'care' anymore ...
I'd rather memorize important things .... like: how to make the perfect Martini ...
I'm no tanker king, but from looking at ISIS for hours upon end, seems like the max give of a consolidated 5-wet Rhino is normally 8-12K during case I.
Brett
That doesn't sound like a vast quantity of fuel. Maybe that tanker variant of the V-22 would be worthwhile--plus it could be COD capable!:icon_wink
Maybe we could just get some TUAVs (Tanker UAVs).
-ea6bflyr
Sounds like a better idea than some drone concepts I've heard. Robo-Texaco on station!
OK, so this question is admittedly more of a stupid question about the military than military aviation...
The other day at the movies I saw a couple Army Privates in their ACUs. They appeared to be with a couple friends in civilian attire.
Is this normal? I understand wanting to take advantage of the military discount but the ID alone is enough for that. I just wasn't sure if guys can just wear their uniform wherever they please, or maybe they just got off work and went straight there, I don't really know.
Just curious.
The other day at the movies I saw a couple Army Privates in their ACUs. They appeared to be with a couple friends in civilian attire.
Is this normal? I understand wanting to take advantage of the military discount but the ID alone is enough for that. I just wasn't sure if guys can just wear their uniform wherever they please, or maybe they just got off work and went straight there, I don't really know.
Just curious.
From what I've seen it's not "normal" per se - but against the regs? No. I think the only thing against the regs is wearing your uniform to political rallies and the sort. At the Academy, we make our plebes and Youngsters (freshmen and sophomores) wear their uniforms out on liberty.
As a sidenote, I don't think it's a bad thing with younger guys and women wearing their uniform - a British O-4 was explaining to me that's a huge reason why we have support from the public here. In Britain, they can't wear their uniforms out or anything and as such, the public has more or less forgotten about the military.
Maybe we could just get some TUAVs (Tanker UAVs).
-ea6bflyr
Just saw a brief yesterday by RADM Shannon talking about UCAVs tanking from manned hornets and KC-X.....I agree it would make much more sense to have an unmanned tanker do it instead.
Sounds like a 'management' problem to me ...
Or ... you need more 1.5 hour cycles ...
:sleep_125phrogpilot73
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It all depends on what uniform. In the Navy/Marine Corps - No, you're not allowed to wear working uniforms (what ACU's are) off base (unless transiting). In the Army, their regs (I believe) state something to the effect of short, essential stop - which has morphed into going grocery shopping, stopping at the mall to browse, etc...
You have likely never seen an experienced tanker driver hawk the recovery and then be exactly where it needed to be when an aircraft is in extremis. One thing many folks don't realize is Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS) that include everything (from UCAVs to potential tankers you are talking about) don't remove the human from the equation quite yet. They simply put human somewhere else. In case of UCAVs, they remove human from going in potential harm's way and allow aircraft not to be limited in performance by what the human body cannot sustain and eliminates all the weight and volume required to host a human.
In the love affair with UAVs to provide ISR and more and more finish capability, the LIMFACs associated with having the UAV overhead, but the pilot and sensor operator halfway around the world have resulted in less than optimum results in some cases hence the trends toward more and more manned nontraditional ISR platforms like the Project Liberty MC-12 platforms and other examples that put the human overhead and on the deck where they can train and plan with the people they support.
Back to unmanned tankers in the sky. The movie stealth featured a mammoth unmanned tanker in the sky and AFRL has briefs on proposals almost exactly like the movie with addition an arsenal of net-enabled weapons (sort of an Arsenal Ship in the sky). For benign tanking, it makes sense to have as much gas as you can but in the sky, but for extremis situations that occasionally arise, I submit you still need someone in the cockpit who's the best you can get to be reacting and thinking way ahead of the recovery situation. Alas, one day they may not be an aviator in cockpit of the tanker or receiver.....
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