T-44 For The P-8?

[Vidofnir]

Looks like there is a HUD up there in the real one.

 

[Moc1Sig]

If thats the real reason, it's a pretty stupid reason. Transitioning from a traditional instrument system to electronic is pretty easy. Going through 35 would set you up just fine. And what happens if you want MPRA but dont want to go VP? You have to make the decision to go VP or VQ right from the beginning?

I was simply stating if they don't want E-6 guys flying alphas why would they want P-8 guys too...

What percent get P-8's?

feel like I made this comment a few years back and got banned.

 

[Moc1Sig]

^^^ cup holder, and knee room which I so dearly miss.

 

[xj220]

That's pretty impressive... Too bad the Navy wont cough up the cash for something like that for the P-8.

I had the chance to fly a G1000 C-172 and that was amazing. The all glass was beautiful and I had a full color weather radar. Then I went to the T-34 and haven't really gone up since.

 

[Recovering LSO]

Are P-8s going to make use of FE's?

 

[JackyB]

Supposedly they will transition to another rate or be rif'd.

 

[statesman]

Are P-8s going to make use of FE's?

Nope. Our FEs are all wearing a "dying breed" patch right now. Supposedly the IFT is also going by the wayside...

It's sad that they are going away, apart from making sure the plane stays airborne, the FEs add a great deal to the flight station. That being said you really cant make the argument that they are needed in the P-8 with the level of automation.

 

[MasterBates]

I've never understood exactly why you need an FE with 3 pilots.

<-- Perfectly capable of starting a T-56, and setting proper power, and dealing with prop problems.

 

[helolumpy]

I've never understood exactly why you need an FE with 3 pilots.

Cause the FE's are members of SEIU local 103....

 

[scoober78]

I've never understood exactly why you need an FE with 3 pilots.

<-- Perfectly capable of starting a T-56, and setting proper power, and dealing with prop problems.

Frankly, you don't. Makes preflight nice though, since we don't have true plane captains...Otherwise, I'd have to fuel, and check oils...ugh...

On another note, I've always thought that alot of the reason that P-3 folks became systems Nazi's was the presence of an engineer. Those guys know alot of the "nitnoid" stuff as a function of the "part maintainer/part aircrew" split personality...and no pilot wants to admit that the E sitting in the middle knows more about the plane. Right or wrong...My standard response to an FE raking me over the coals about systems was to start asking TERPS questions...usually ended the conversation.

 

[Vidofnir]

If they said 40:1 would you be in trouble?

 

[gotta_fly]

The focus is not really on the presentation of the information, but more on the logic and buttonology of a complex linked flight computer system. The T-44C doesn't have many screens, true, but the controls and procedures for it are relatively complicated. You're right that any competent pilot can make the transition, but you're dead wrong if you're assuming that a glass cockpit is just a traditional cockpit with digital instruments. I know I'm glad I made the transition between primary and advanced, instead of while learning to fly a heavy.

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[xj220]

The P-3 EFDS system is very easy to use because it's more just a different information display. CNS/ATM however is much more complicated if you use it the way it was intended. The true glass systems like those posted above are much more complicated and can't be a "simple" transition, instead they require a lot of training to use effectively.

 

[HAL Pilot]

I went from a 727 steam cockpit to a 717 "true" glass cockpit. It's not hard. In fact, it was harder going back to the "Semi-glass" of the 767. Glass simplifies your scan and greatly enhances your situational awareness.

 

[xj220]

It's easier to fly, but I'm referring more to the intricacies of the buttonology and dealing with menus, etc. Granted, it's been awhile since I've used a lot of this stuff so it could be different.