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TH-57 crashes near Whiting
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pdx
HSM Pilot
already understood, but thanks for the clarification.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
I know AW.com needs to cover its 6 on this, hence the no posting of any non-public source.
The downside to that, like Chuck has stated, is sometimes the Causal Factos get muddled or masked in the public reports.
I have been involved with 2 AMBs in some capacity, 1 was really well written, but even the "sanitzed" version has not been released for public consumption 1 year later.
The other, is total BS, it was total lack of SA and adherence to procedures, but the report was written like machine failure to save face for an OIC, CO and Admirals Aide.
The downside to that, like Chuck has stated, is sometimes the Causal Factos get muddled or masked in the public reports.
I have been involved with 2 AMBs in some capacity, 1 was really well written, but even the "sanitzed" version has not been released for public consumption 1 year later.
The other, is total BS, it was total lack of SA and adherence to procedures, but the report was written like machine failure to save face for an OIC, CO and Admirals Aide.
Every AOM that I've been to that has discussed a mishap of some kind usually either begins or ends with, "..and this is all priveleged, so you can talk amongst yourselves, but it's not for talking about at the bar." I'd classify that as "non-public." So if someone has a Safety Center version that does NOT say "privelleged" on it, great. Otherwise, continue conducting zip-lip procedures.
Yep, beat me to it. EVERY AOM I've had where they talked about a mishap ended in "this is privelidged information". AW.com is not the place to talk about it, especially on the public side.
EFCA
Registered User
Let me clarify that I'm not looking for any secret inside information or gory details.
Just curious what the heck happened because the only thing we heard out here was "a helicopter crash." It's not a big enough story that will ever be on the news again and it's not appropriate to bug his parents for more details any time soon. I'm really hoping that one of you guys will at least be able to point me in the right direction where a clueless civilian can go to find publicly released info. I’m sure there’s got to be a magical military website out there that would mention more information when the time comes. I've looked around but haven't found anything but the same original AP news story over and over.
I’m also curious if I’d stumble across anyone that knew him since I would’ve imagined that the flight school is a relatively small world.
Just curious what the heck happened because the only thing we heard out here was "a helicopter crash." It's not a big enough story that will ever be on the news again and it's not appropriate to bug his parents for more details any time soon. I'm really hoping that one of you guys will at least be able to point me in the right direction where a clueless civilian can go to find publicly released info. I’m sure there’s got to be a magical military website out there that would mention more information when the time comes. I've looked around but haven't found anything but the same original AP news story over and over.
I’m also curious if I’d stumble across anyone that knew him since I would’ve imagined that the flight school is a relatively small world.
There's no magical website. You will probably meet folks that knew the deceased. Naval Aviation is a small world.
To piggyback on here, details of aircraft mishap reports are generally not released to the public. There are lots of good reasons for that policy to include privacy and liability considerations, but for the most part, the general public just doesn't need to know.
Brett
Probably the most important part of this thread. Why does anyone, especially the general public, need to know exactly what happened? Is it going to make a difference if information is released that it was piece A that didn't fit correctly with part B? Unless of course you work for BHT or fly a 57/206.
My .02, it's enough to know that a helicopter crashed with three people in it, and sadly, a student pursuing his dream did not walk away.
EFCA
Registered User
I guess I was basing my expectations on the information that gets released in most civilian accidents. No one NEEDS to know, but if one of your friends died in a car/airplane/helicopter accident, wouldn't you be a little curious what happened? It's not like he was just some guy I knew.
So anyway, sorry to have stirred up a hornet's nest.
So anyway, sorry to have stirred up a hornet's nest.
Of course. Doesn't mean it should be posted on the internet. Read the SIR.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
EFCA
I understand your frustration.
I understand your frustration.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
FN,
EFCA is a Civvie, can he get a hold of the SIR when it is released under FOIA?
Don't think he can, but I could be wrong.
EFCA is a Civvie, can he get a hold of the SIR when it is released under FOIA?
Don't think he can, but I could be wrong.
If SIRs are releasable under FOIA, then yes he could. That's the whole point of FOIA.
Missed that he was a civvie.
Still, a lot of the information in the SIRs really are confidential. I've read a few, including one involving my previous squadron. That information doesn't need to be in the public hands.