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The DEBATE: Round 2

WHO "WON"???

  • John Sidney McCain III

    Votes: 33 53.2%
  • Barack Hussein Obama

    Votes: 24 38.7%
  • There is no DRAW ... make a choice for God's sake!!

    Votes: 5 8.1%

  • Total voters
    62
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HercDriver

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I don't see questioning a persons past associations as "smear" tactics...Sen. Obama was associated with an admitted terrorist (Ayers), Tony Rezco, and wingnut Wright, and now he wants to be POTUS, I see that as an issue. Sen. McCain is billing himself as a reformer, who is working against corruption, yet he was involved in the S&L scandal..granted he was exonerated, but it will still be brought up by the Sen. Obama campaign (as well as ABC/CBS/MSNBCrap) it is a legitimate point to be debated. A smear tactic is using LIES to denegrate your opponent (photoshopped pictures of Gov. Palin in a bikini, Sen. Reid claiming Sen. McCain was responsible for the original House Bailout Bill not passing, half of the things Sen. Biden said in the debate, you know, crap like that)

Where I think Sen. McCain needs to bring the heat is on the fact that he tried to legislate a solution to the Fannie Mae/ F. Mac problem back in '03, and was shot down by Democrats...

I have a feeling this election is slowly sliding from the GOP and will need either an October surprise like we haven't seen or a serious change in tactics from the Sen. McCain campaign...
Nothing new (or substantial) on Ayers (their relationship was brief, and Obama already denounced his past actions), Rezko (no proof of any illegal/unethical activities from Obama), or the Rev Wright (this was already played to death). We already heard this stuff back in the primaries ad nauseum; since there isn't much to add I doubt it will have much effect.

As an aside: I never thought I would here Gov Palin saying (bragging?) she read anything in the New York Times ("See, I do read papers...take that Katie!")

BTW: this is the serious change in tactics... "turning the page" on the economic crisis and trying to make the election about Obama's character. It may stop the trend going for Obama, but will it make move things in the other direction? My gut says no (of course that could be the omelet I had for breakfast).

I think that all Obama has to do tonight is not make a mistake and his numbers will continue to rise.
 

CommodoreMid

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23 hours and 41 minutes to go yet....

edit: McCain had better come out like the pugilistic pit bull....and follow up on Billy Ayers and Jeremiah. This is a risky strategy though...it smacks of desperation. If JMac had been on Barry like he beat up on Romney.... he'd be in a lot better shape.

I think the Ayers/Wright/campaign finance issues are important in that they highlight Obama's true feelings on certain issues, but I don't think McCain needs to put those on the forefront basically because the people don't care right now. People are worried about the economy. McCain needs to talk first about that and link Obama with things like the Fannie/Freddie collapse and then later include those other issues.
 

picklesuit

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I think that all Obama has to do tonight is not make a mistake and his numbers will continue to rise.


I think Sen. Obama could walk across the stage, drop trou, crap in his hand, and hand it to Sen. McCain, call him a retarded fish-monkey, and he would still be declared "winner" by 48% of the country (of which only 10% will actually watch the debate) and the media (MSNBCrap would say he was thinking outside the box)...

People stopped caring about facts/truth long ago...I've already sent my Absentee ballot in, and I have convinced at least 3 dems to vote for Sen. McCain, but that just won't be enough this year...
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FlyinSpy

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Interesting inclusion of the candidates' middle names in the poll choices. Is that so we don't become confused with the other Obamas or McCains running for President? The world wonders....
 

A4sForever

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I'm going to reopen the poll so I don't have to screw w/ it later -- and trust you as Officers & Gentlemen to NOT cast your vote until the debate begins or is over (and you can form an opinion on the subject at hand) ... which discounts the simple fact that you would have to be an idiot to vote prior, in any case ... :D

Rock on.

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m0tbaillie

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picklesuit

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Before you start 'thinking' about what groups he worked for, why don't you bother to check? He was an organizer for the Developing Communities Project, not ACORN.


You're right, he had nothing to do with ACORN, his hands are totally clean...wait...
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html

Project Vote was one of the groups he worked for...
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-1993/Vote-of-Confidence/

They are an affiliate of these people:
http://www.acorn.org/




 

Flash

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Inside Obama's ACORN by Stanley Kurtz, National Review Online

Some you would qualify as useful idiots ... now, who said that ... ??? :)

After reading through the article, I see only tenuous ties between ACORN and Senator Obama. The author spends an awful lot of time describing ACORN's activites but very little time describing the Senator's ties to them. Apparently he may have help train some ACORN people, but even the author of the article discounts that he would have trained them in 'direct action'. Plus, what do you expect from a self-described 'conservative commentator'?

My original retort still stands, he was never an organizer for ACORN but instead for another completely different group. Quit being lazy.
 
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