The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??

[Deleted member 24525]

So the lesson here is don't work for Spirit or Jet Blue. Got it.

No, the real answer, is this:
Regardless of who hires you- make it a place worth staying (wether you plan to or not). Support your union, vote NO for subpar contracts, and hold your employers responsible when they violate the contracts. (via your union).
When your peers picket-don't pick up open time trips. If you’re not on probation-join them.
700 PLUS JetBlue pilots picketed this week-over 20%. Thats amazing.
When your union tells you cleaning planes is not a pilot’s job-then don’t clean airplanes.
If you’re senior -buy the junior guy a beer...make it a place worth staying.

And remember-It’s all about “culture” and “luv” until it’s contract negotiations time. Your company will not pay you a dime more than what is negotiated. Don’t get your feelings hurt-it’s a business.

AND when contract negotiations are done, and you get a TA-don’t look at the payrates...look at everything else-workrules, scope relaxation, long term disability etc.

And above all-do not turn the wheel.

 

[ChuckMK23]

And above all-do not turn the wheel.

Awesome post. Need help decoding this though

 

[sevenhelmet]

Awesome post. Need help decoding this though

Thanks, I was stumped on what "turning the wheel" meant too. I have never done unionized work, but this is good to know- I might be looking for employment in the not too distant future.

 

[Deleted member 24525]

dont turn the wheel-don’t scab.

When there’s a strike, you’re officially a scab once you pushback and the nosewheel turns.
If you walk off prior to push-you’re not a scab.
So don’t turn the wheel

 

[ChuckMK23]

@Nasty Flyer what keeps management types from simply firing us pilots if there is a strike?

 

[Pags]

That’s kind of the point of the Union and collective bargaining. If no one scabs then management has to talk.

That and Sean Connery and the Molly Maguires threatening them.

 

[Deleted member 24525]

@Nasty Flyer what keeps management types from simply firing us pilots if there is a strike?

I’ts in the national railroad labor act, which is the governing legal document for for airlines and railroads contract/labor negotiations

“Discipline and replacement of strikers
Carriers may lawfully replace strikers engaged in a lawful strike but may not, however, discharge them except for misconduct or eliminate their jobs to retaliate against them for striking. It is not clear whether the employer can discharge workers for striking before all of the RLA's bargaining and mediation processes have been exhausted.

The employer must also allow strikers to replace replacements hired on a temporary basis and permanent replacements who have not completed the training required before they can become active employees. The employer may, on the other hand, allow less senior employees who crossed the picket line to keep the jobs they were given after crossing the line, even if the seniority rules in effect before the strike would have required the employer to reassign their jobs to returning strikers.
Railroads and airlines. They can hire scabs as temporary replacements, but they can’t fire you.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Labor_Act

 

[ChuckMK23]

 

[Brett327]

Which airline are you employed by, Chuck?

 

[ChuckMK23]

Which airline are you employed by, Chuck?

Ha! You know the answer to that - hopefully a Regional is in my future for the next chapter of my career. Until then I am hoarding sheckles while working in a unfulfilling job working for the biggest corporate tragedy in the last century. Thankfully my job gives me ample time to respond thoughtfully on AW!

I thought the graphic was interesting - and speaks to the economic and profit expansion of the mainline carriers!

 

[wink]

In 2012 Delta bought a refinery for $150M with an expectation to have to invest another $100M to reactivate it and get it up to current standards. It was thought to be the ultimate hedge. It took nearly three years before it made a dime. I haven't heard how it is doing now. But it is interesting to note that Delta and AA have nearly the same average price per gallon of fuel in Chuck's graphic. I am not a global commodities trader or anything. Smarter people than me decided to buy the thing. But I wasn't quite sure how it would help the airline a bunch. Refinery products are commodities on an open market. That is what sets the price. I guess they expected to simply make a profit on refinery ops and plow that back into Delta Corp. revenues and argue that was a net improvement on fuel costs. AA once owned hotels and catering companies. They got out of them many years ago. Even sold majority share in the famous ground breaking Sabre rez system they developed. As I see it, the refinery play was nothing more than a corporate investment in what seemed like a decent business venture at the time. May as well have been a cement plant or car rental company.

 

[Flash]

More support animal stupidity, I hope more airlines get stricter on this BS.

 

[ChuckMK23]

Mod, apologies if I post in the wrong thread - but I find this germane given it's @mad dog 's employer...

https://politics.myajc.com/blog/pol...ax-break-georgia-risk/zO5KoRXb6MdZYWNAZGttRK/

So worlds collide between "The Show" and current news on 2A.

Its a messy world we live in!

 

[sevenhelmet]

It must be a game of rates between ATL and the NYC airports. ATL might be the airline's hub, but I'll bet more passenger revenue comes from up North...

Interesting business risk decision.

 

[Deleted member 24525]

Or, they’re reallly not getting enough revenue of the NRA discounted tickets for this move to really matter...and the negative PR would hurt them more than keeping the affiliation.
Lastly, United, was affected by the shooting...A 737 captain’s Daughter was one of the victims..so I’m sure that came up when they were making this decision.